Tone, Taste, or Technique... which is most important?

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Tone, Taste, or Technique... which is most important?

Post by Honeyboy » January 5th, 2013, 3:07 pm

I know all three are important... but what is the most important. Maybe a better question would be what is the relative importance of each. Now I'm not talking jazz but something a like blues.
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Re: Tone, Taste, or Technique... which is most important?

Post by NoteBoat » January 5th, 2013, 3:30 pm

IMO, none of the above.

Rhythm/timing are the single most important element in music - if they're off, nothing else will save the day. If you're dead on in your groove, you could be playing Row Row Row Your Boat and most people will dig it.

Once you've got that, it depends on who your audience is. Having great tone and no taste is like reading a novel with great words, but no plot. It'll work as background, but it's not something you pay attention to (or listen to a second time). So tone is a great focus if you want to be in the background but have nothing to say.

If you've got great taste but lousy tone, you can be popular within a niche. There are fans of old recordings by Leadbelly, etc. where the tone just plain sucks (no doubt due to the technology of the time, but still.... it just sucks). Great taste with tone will get you a wide audience.

If you've got great technique but not much else, you only get fans from folks who play the same instrument. Go to a concert by Yngwie/Buckethead/Batio/Gilbert/etc. and ask those around you if they play guitar. I'll bet at least 90% of them do. If you want to speak to the masses, they don't care about technique - they care about the music. Go to a concert by Jeff Beck/Eric Clapton/John Mayer/etc. and you won't find nearly as many guitarists in the audience - it's just the general listening public. Their technique doesn't suck, but it's not best in class.

So if you're talking about what the average music fan wants, I'd rank the choices:

Taste
Tone
Technique
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Post by jason brann » January 5th, 2013, 5:21 pm

the music you make. whichever one you think that is.
comparing blues musicians to neo-classical shredders and saying one group has technique and one doesn't is misleading. it's no easier or harder to have a good sweep than it is to have a good vibrato. it's all in how much you put into it.
also, you just inspired me to listen to some leadbelly. he's a hell of a singer, and you get used to the old vinyl noise.

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Re: Tone, Taste, or Technique... which is most important?

Post by Honeyboy » January 6th, 2013, 3:24 pm

To put it in a context...

What is most important to move the audience, tone, taste, or technique.
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Post by jason brann » January 7th, 2013, 1:13 am

you're not going to move the audience if you're not moved yourself. you might as well ask whether it's the rims or paintjob that makes a car fun to drive. those three things you describe are byproducts of music, not the soul of it.
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Re: Tone, Taste, or Technique... which is most important?

Post by Liontable » January 7th, 2013, 6:38 am

I'd actually go even further, and say showmanship. I can imagine at some nights you're entirely worn out from touring and doing the same show 3-4 nights a week, and to then not let your audience notice: that's amazing, in my opinion. I personally find both Jason and Noteboat's answers to be great, considering the rather odd question :D

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Re: Tone, Taste, or Technique... which is most important?

Post by notes_norton » January 7th, 2013, 1:08 pm

For the three choices you gave, I would list them from most important to least important to me:
  1. Taste, because without that, the most you can do with technique is play competent but uninspiring music - and I included your inborn talent as what gives you good taste in your playing
  2. Technique, because without it, the taste and musicality in your head won't get transferred to the listener's ear
  3. Tone, because I think it is highly over-rated...WHAT???...If tone was so important how did Stan Getz and John Coltrane become the two highest rated jazz tenor sax players of the 20th century? Tone as different as night and day. And if tone was important, why did Dr. John, Blossom Dearie, Rod Stewart, Stevie Nicks, John Lennon and so many others with poor to marginal voices sell zillions of recordings?
Music has to be inspiring. Taste is the germ, without it you don't have music. Technique is what the person with taste uses to manipulate his/her instrument, and tone is what the instrument sounds like.

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Re: Tone, Taste, or Technique... which is most important?

Post by s1120 » January 8th, 2013, 3:14 am

Without technique you the rest doesnt matter. You can have the best tone, and the best taste in music ever...have ground braking ideas on music that will flip the world on its ear.... but if you cant play.... well who will know about the rest.
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Re: Tone, Taste, or Technique... which is most important?

Post by CitiZenNoir » May 24th, 2014, 11:23 pm

Mostly, I've always been attracted to tone, first.
You ask in a blues context.... probably especially in a blues
context, with the possible exception of
Hubert Sumlin.
As to the question of Coltrane having good tone,
c'mon!? IT'S GREAT!
Stevie Nicks.... Not so great.
Then again, I think she has a weak voice
and is a terrible musician, especially when
compared to Christine Perfect!
Peter Green! Now he had TONE!
After that has got to be taste.
I mean, who's better than Jimi and Keef?
Neither had great tone.... but, "if you meet
me, have some courtesy, have some sympathy,
and some TASTE!
Keef's lead work is especially inspiring.
Simple, yet complicated.... thanks to his wonderful
use of SPACE.
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Re: Tone, Taste, or Technique... which is most important?

Post by notes_norton » May 28th, 2014, 2:38 pm

You see, that's why tone is not so important. I dislike Coltrane's tone and prefer that of Getz, Prez, and other players.

So if I have perfect tone for you, I'll have mediocre tone for me. And we both listen with trained ears. Neither one is right, neither one is wrong.

Don't get me wrong, 'Trane is a certified sax genius and one of the true masters of the sax. I just don't prefer his tone.

I think as long as your tone is in the ball park for the genre of music you are playing, taste and technique will get you more mileage.

The thing is we listen with musician's ears, most of your audience does not. So what we like isn't as important as what they like.

They will respond to taste as long as your technique is adequate. And taste involves your phrasing, timing, ornaments, melodic constructions, dynamics and all those other things that turn robotic notes into music. Your technique has to be good enough for you to be able to do these things, but without the "art", technique only goes so far. I've heard a number of competent but uninspiring players in my day, and I'll take someone with less technique that moves my soul any day.

But I repeat, we all listen with musician's ears - the public does not.

I gig for a living, and I play things and watch and/or feel the audience reaction. If you stand on stage long enough, they audience will tell you what they like.

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Re: Tone, Taste, or Technique... which is most important?

Post by Diceman » May 30th, 2014, 7:46 am

Technique , without a doubt ! Taste is like beauty , in the eye (ear) of the beholder .You will never please everyone . Tone is constantly changing . The tone you use in one song , or even in a different part of the same song , will be completely wrong for another song or section . Again it comes down to taste . However , I don't care how good your tone is or what song you're playing , if you don't play the right notes at the right time everybody will notice!
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Re: Tone, Taste, or Technique... which is most important?

Post by Rocket Dog » June 8th, 2014, 11:47 pm

For me this is what's the most important.
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