how to get a distorted guitar to cut through the mix??

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Re: how to get a distorted guitar to cut through the mix??

Post by TRGuitar » February 10th, 2010, 7:39 pm

True ...... I suppose the way to cut through the mix is a monitor speaker. It cuts through where you are standing, just not necessarily everywhere else. :lol:
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Re: how to get a distorted guitar to cut through the mix??

Post by jwmartin » February 11th, 2010, 4:53 am

Ricochet wrote:
jwmartin wrote:It's funny, I'm following a thread on talkbass.com about how to get bass guitars to cut through all the distorted guitars in the mix. :D I'm sure on a drumming site, someone is asking how to get the drums to cut through the mix.
Isn't it sad in a way that various players want to "cut through the mix?" Isn't the "mix" what the music is?
Yep, some want it because they want more of themselves in the mix and some want it because one of their bandmates want more of themselves in it :D

Dimefan, at first glance, I'd say you have too much bass dialed in. You have a bass player in your band, right? Let him handle that end. What sounds good to you while playing alone won't sound good when you have other instruments playing with you. You need to have a "practicing by yourself" sound and a "playing with the band" sound.

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Re: how to get a distorted guitar to cut through the mix??

Post by Moonrider » February 11th, 2010, 2:40 pm

Brought to you by the Department of Redundancy Department!

More mids, less treble, less distortion. Let the bass carry the low end, that's what it does. Too much distortion blurs the attack on the chugs and makes 'em sound mushy. Too much treble lets pick scrapes and finger squeaks gain the upper hand, and gives you a fizzy bumblebee sound.

Keep in mind that the metal rhythm guitar you hear on album is tracked two or three times and mixed together for one guitar part.
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Re: how to get a distorted guitar to cut through the mix??

Post by TRGuitar » February 11th, 2010, 3:23 pm

Yes, I have found a good way to add more bass to your sound without turning the bass up is to turn the treble down.
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Re: how to get a distorted guitar to cut through the mix??

Post by cnev » February 11th, 2010, 3:34 pm

Yes what jw and moon said let the bass player carry the low end or else everything will sound like mud. Plus you really have to take some time to work on the sound as a whole, remember it's not just you playing it's the "band" that the listeners hear so it's important that you all work well together.

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Re: how to get a distorted guitar to cut through the mix??

Post by kent_eh » February 11th, 2010, 3:48 pm

jwmartin wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
jwmartin wrote:It's funny, I'm following a thread on talkbass.com about how to get bass guitars to cut through all the distorted guitars in the mix. :D I'm sure on a drumming site, someone is asking how to get the drums to cut through the mix.
Isn't it sad in a way that various players want to "cut through the mix?" Isn't the "mix" what the music is?
Yep, some want it because they want more of themselves in the mix and some want it because one of their bandmates want more of themselves in it :D

Dimefan, at first glance, I'd say you have too much bass dialed in. You have a bass player in your band, right? Let him handle that end. What sounds good to you while playing alone won't sound good when you have other instruments playing with you. You need to have a "practicing by yourself" sound and a "playing with the band" sound.
When a band is doing the mix from on stage, I can always tell which band member is in charge of the mix with my eyes closed. :roll:

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Re: how to get a distorted guitar to cut through the mix??

Post by bobblehat » May 13th, 2010, 5:14 am

Hi Alman,

Not sure if you have had any success yet but I have a very similar set up to you.
I have a Laney VC30 and ME-50.I stopped using the Tubescreamer setting a few weeks ago because of the same problem you are having.Its great for a solo boost or at high volumes but sounds a bit lifeless at lower volumes/levels.I have now started using the Guvnor pedal setting and its sounds excellent and its very flexible.I set the ME-50 gain to about 10 ' o'clock and the tone and level controls to around 12 o'clock.Try adding a little compression I usually have the sustain and level set to about 9 o'clock.

Theres some great tones in the ME-50 just needs a bit of experimenting with.The amp also has a huge effect on the tones you get out of the ME-50.Sounds especially good with valve/tube amps.

P.s if you are looking for a hi-gain setting try the the Modern Distortion (variation setting) its sounds huge but has still got some definition ie not mushy like most hi-gain metal sounds.


Hope this helps

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Re: how to get a distorted guitar to cut through the mix??

Post by bobblehat » May 13th, 2010, 10:40 pm

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Re: how to get a distorted guitar to cut through the mix??

Post by bobblehat » May 20th, 2010, 5:22 am

Ricochet wrote:
jwmartin wrote:It's funny, I'm following a thread on talkbass.com about how to get bass guitars to cut through all the distorted guitars in the mix. :D I'm sure on a drumming site, someone is asking how to get the drums to cut through the mix.
Isn't it sad in a way that various players want to "cut through the mix?" Isn't the "mix" what the music is?
Just to second what Ricochet said "the mix" is what its all about.Its the overall sound that matters not the individual components.My amp settings are bass 4, mids 5/6, treble 5/6.(LANEY vc30) Doesn't sound good at low volumes but sounds sweet when cranked to band levels and no problem cutting through.Now only set my gain to around 3 or 4 and use my guitar volume and master volume to drive the amp.

Just my thoughts

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