"Carry On" - CSN&Y - weird tuning?

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"Carry On" - CSN&Y - weird tuning?

Post by Vic Lewis VL » July 9th, 2005, 10:00 am

I just bought a copy of Guitar World Acoustic....the one with The Eagles on the cover...and inside there's a tab transcription of "Carry On" from the "Deja Vu" album.

Guitars 2,3 and 4 are in standard tuning down one half step, i.e low to high, Eb Ab Db Gb Bb Eb.....guitar 1 is the weird one, though...E5 tuning, low to high Eb Eb Eb Eb Bb Eb...how would you go about tuning to this? The A string has me baffled...I don't want to tune up half an octave, and I'm sure if I tune down to Eb, it's going to flap in the slightest breeze...

Any ideas?

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Post by art&lutherie » July 9th, 2005, 10:07 am

I know we've covered this before but I can't remember where :oops:
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Post by waltaja » July 9th, 2005, 3:47 pm

i couldn't find much... http://www.fenderforum.com/forum.html?d ... 7&offset=0

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Post by Steve-0 » July 9th, 2005, 4:18 pm

Maybe the guitarist used a custom set of strings, maybe the A string is thicker then usual to compensate for the lowered tuning. That's my only idea, but i'm not an expert.
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Post by Vic Lewis VL » July 9th, 2005, 5:17 pm

Art & Lutherie jogged my memory....I have a vague recollection the post was about "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes" which I have in a tab book at home, I think that may be in a similar tuning...

I'll look it up next week...

But I've trawled through every page on Guitar Players discussion and can't find the "Judy" post....

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Post by Ricochet » July 10th, 2005, 1:56 pm

Somebody posted over on the Big Road Blues Forum today about using that "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes" tuning, he was looking for chords. He said he'd managed to only break one string while tuning into it. Sounds like a job for custom string gauges and a dedicated guitar to me.

Googling the phrase "Judy Blue Eyes" in quotes and the word "tuning" will bring up a lot of info on a lot of different sites, including this one.
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Post by tinsmith » July 10th, 2005, 5:12 pm

I've had good luck with D_A_D_D_A_D type tuning. You can move the tuning up or down, depending on your need.

It's good for songs like:

Suite Judy Blue Eyes
Carry On
4 & Twenty
Find the Cost of Freedom

fooling around in Stephen Stills mode.

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Post by art&lutherie » July 10th, 2005, 8:07 pm

What if you tuned down and capoed up????
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Post by Musenfreund » July 11th, 2005, 3:18 pm

Personally, I play the "live" electric version of "Carry On/Questions" from 4 Way Street. You don't need Stills' open E (tuned down half a step on the studio version) to play it. You could play the studio version in standard tuning if you tune down half a step too. Just play the riff on the top three strings and then play the standard chords when you get to the "Questions" section.
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Re: "Carry On" - CSN&Y - weird tuning?

Post by Guest » July 12th, 2005, 2:59 pm

Vic Lewis wrote:I just bought a copy of Guitar World Acoustic....the one with The Eagles on the cover...and inside there's a tab transcription of "Carry On" from the "Deja Vu" album.

Guitars 2,3 and 4 are in standard tuning down one half step, i.e low to high, Eb Ab Db Gb Bb Eb.....guitar 1 is the weird one, though...E5 tuning, low to high Eb Eb Eb Eb Bb Eb...how would you go about tuning to this? The A string has me baffled...I don't want to tune up half an octave, and I'm sure if I tune down to Eb, it's going to flap in the slightest breeze...

Any ideas?

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Open E5 is simple, stings are listed from six to one. Tune as follows: 6) Standard, 5) Tune down to match 6, 4) Tune up two frets from D to E, 3) Tune down to match 4, 2) tune as normal, 1) tune as normal. The reason I brok a string was trying to tune up an octave plus two frets on string 4.

For the tuning you listed which is really E5 down 1 fret or Eb5, tune verything listed down by one fret.

This evening I am going to tune my 12 string to Eb5 for "Love the one your with.
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Post by Guest » July 12th, 2005, 3:00 pm

art&lutherie wrote:What if you tuned down and capoed up????
You'd be Robert Johnson looking for easier action. :twisted:

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Re: "Carry On" - CSN&Y - weird tuning?

Post by hogwldfltr » July 12th, 2005, 3:54 pm

Anonymous wrote:
Vic Lewis wrote:I just bought a copy of Guitar World Acoustic....the one with The Eagles on the cover...and inside there's a tab transcription of "Carry On" from the "Deja Vu" album.

Guitars 2,3 and 4 are in standard tuning down one half step, i.e low to high, Eb Ab Db Gb Bb Eb.....guitar 1 is the weird one, though...E5 tuning, low to high Eb Eb Eb Eb Bb Eb...how would you go about tuning to this? The A string has me baffled...I don't want to tune up half an octave, and I'm sure if I tune down to Eb, it's going to flap in the slightest breeze...

Any ideas?

Vic
Open E5 is simple, stings are listed from six to one. Tune as follows: 6) Standard, 5) Tune down to match 6, 4) Tune up two frets from D to E, 3) Tune down to match 4, 2) tune as normal, 1) tune as normal. The reason I brok a string was trying to tune up an octave plus two frets on string 4.

For the tuning you listed which is really E5 down 1 fret or Eb5, tune verything listed down by one fret.

This evening I am going to tune my 12 string to Eb5 for "Love the one your with.
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Post by Ricochet » July 12th, 2005, 4:32 pm

Hey Hogwild, welcome! :D
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Post by hogwldfltr » July 12th, 2005, 5:40 pm

Ricochet wrote:Hey Hogwild, welcome! :D
Mucho gracias, Senor. :P
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CARRY ON - tuning suggestions

Post by DBJACOBSON » July 23rd, 2007, 5:43 pm

Hi,
I saw your post re: how to play "Carry On" better.
First, tuning down 1/2 step is really not that rare.
all Van Halen, All Guns and Roses, all Malmsteen....

Here are a few suggestions.
1. Use a slightly heavier gauge of strings. i.e. if you use .10's you could move the entire set up to .11's - or if you use 11's you could change to .12's
2. you could lower the guitar a full step! to D G C F A D, and then capo on the 1st fret.
3. you could ignore the lower tuning - the only negative here is that if you are the singer, you will have to sing 1/2 step HIGHER than the record, which is hard to do well sometimes

In the mean time, I have been looking for that issue and CAN'T find it anywhere. I have a trade offer for you!

You copy CARRY ON for me, you could scan it in and email it to me, and I will deliver to you the entire SUITE JUDY BLUE EYES - fully tabbed - from Guitar Player circa 1992.
Your Thoughts?

Cheers!
Douglas

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