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Posted: February 18th, 2010, 8:37 pm
by darkhorse
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Re: EFFECT CHAINS where to put what...

Posted: February 19th, 2010, 4:38 am
by slejhamer
Well, my setup is a little different because my "amp" is a pedal, but this is my current chain:

Tuner
Wah
Overdrive
Distortion
>> Preamp (Tech 21 Liverpool, a Vox AC30 emulator)
Tremolo
Chorus
Delay
>> to DI box or power amp.

My thinking is that, if I had an amp with built-in FX, the trem/chorus/delay would be after the preamp, so that's effectively where I've got things.

I definitely like wah before OD/Distortion; I think it sounds terribly thin if placed after.

Now, if I used an actual guitar amp with no loop, I'd keep the same order (sans the Liverpool) and just run it into the input jack. (And since I just bought an amp on ebay, that's what I'll do!)

Can't help with whammy placement as I don't have need for one; I'd think vibe would go in the loop with the chorus/trem type of fx.

Cheers,

Re: EFFECT CHAINS where to put what...

Posted: February 19th, 2010, 7:42 am
by Jammin'John
Overdrive,phasor,delay,amp.

JJ

Re: EFFECT CHAINS where to put what...

Posted: February 19th, 2010, 3:30 pm
by U2Bono269
let's see...I just majorly simplified my board so this should be easy...mine goes

guitar
mxr dyna comp
dunlop classic wah
boss ds1
danelectro fab OD
proco rat 2

amp (usually with the built-in reverb or delay)

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Posted: February 19th, 2010, 5:44 pm
by darkhorse
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Posted: February 19th, 2010, 6:01 pm
by darkhorse
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Re: EFFECT CHAINS where to put what...

Posted: February 20th, 2010, 4:58 am
by slejhamer
Fixing your links, which are broken:
True Bypass comparison: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOBn75-WN30
Op Amp comparison: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpTv2jAree8

Those are terrific, and I really enjoyed the Visual Sound shootout videos!

You'd also like this: The Truth About True Bypass

The problem, as you noted, is that many pedals use lousy buffers that do indeed change the tone in undesirable ways, and in some cases it's easy and inexpensive to modify them for true bypass. I like my Ibanez CS9 chorus, but I can easily tell the difference when the pedal is bypassed and when it's out of the loop entirely. I built a little bypass looper with spare parts; problem solved. One question is why are bypass loopers so darned expensive? They're just jacks and a switch!

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Posted: February 20th, 2010, 12:50 pm
by darkhorse
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Posted: February 20th, 2010, 10:00 pm
by darkhorse
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Re: EFFECT CHAINS where to put what...

Posted: February 20th, 2010, 11:48 pm
by Kevin72790
My pedalboard is setup like this:

Octave Fuzz - Dunlop Octavio
Wah - Vox v847 with mods from Maxxplay
Fuzz - OX FUZZ Germanium
Fuzz - Dunlop JH Silicon Fuzz
Overdrive - Fulltone OCD v4
Univibe - KR Megavibe
Delay - MXR Carbon Copy

I really like the octave fuzz before the wah, I just think it flat out sounds better that way. But I much prefer 'regular' fuzz after any wah. My silicon fuzz does not react well at all to the wah, so I don't use both together that often, but the germanium fuzz works fine.

Just experiment though, try different combinations and see what works best for you.

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Posted: February 22nd, 2010, 2:57 pm
by darkhorse
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Re: EFFECT CHAINS where to put what...

Posted: February 22nd, 2010, 6:36 pm
by slejhamer
darkhorse wrote: they set up a really good clean channel with the dynamics they like using a good tube amp and then use pedals to enhance and modify the tones.
This can work with an amp simulator (my setup), not only a tube amp! I have the Liverpool pedal set clean but just on the edge of breakup, and it is reasonably sensitive to picking dynamics. I step on my Sparkle Drive for overdrive, or my MI Audio Crunch Box for distortion. It's like having a 3-channel ampless amp.

But, I might sell the Sparkle Drive and get a VS Route 808 ... those demos were quite good. :)

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Posted: February 22nd, 2010, 11:14 pm
by darkhorse
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Posted: February 22nd, 2010, 11:25 pm
by darkhorse
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Re: EFFECT CHAINS where to put what...

Posted: February 23rd, 2010, 7:33 am
by gnease
slejhamer wrote:
darkhorse wrote:

But, I might sell the Sparkle Drive and get a VS Route 808 ... those demos were quite good. :)
heh! you'll miss it eventually.