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Re: What you've learned about guitar (including my 800 days)

Post by matteo » June 11th, 2009, 10:58 pm

cnev wrote:Matteo,


What I meant was unlike strumming an acoustic guitar where you might use a pattern of D/D/u/Du for many songs I havn't found many electric/rock/metal where you would use patterns like thta alot. Sure there are passages must likely the chorus where you might do that but it seems every song is kind of unique and you have to listen to each one.

I hear what you are saying about metal and palm muting with downstrokes and although the technique is similar in may songs it's not common at least for me to find the exact same rhythms used in different songs.

We play Judas Priest songs in the band and I play a few Metallica songs on my own and they both use alot of 1/8 palm muted downstroke picking but it's not like I can take the same pattern that I use in the Judas Priest songs and use them in the Metallica they are rarely exactly the same.
yes i'm with you. Heavy metal has a few distinct rhythms but each riff is slightly different from another so it has to be learnt individually. i.e. if you know the gallop rhythm (quaver followed by two semiquavers), you could recognize it in many songs but most probably it is played with some variations even in different part of the same song. I remember that i did not understand why they said that gallop was widely used by Iron Maiden/Dio/Sabbath because to my ears they played a sort or reverse gallop (two semiquavers followed by a quaver!), then i understood that i was fooled by palm-muting because they accented just the quaver muting the two semiquavers and the result was that my ear noted so much more the unmuted note.
Anyway sometimes you could find some classic rock rhythms even in metal songs: i.e. Living after midnight chorus is a simple 1,2,3&,& rhythm

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Re: What you've learned about guitar (including my 800 days)

Post by DylanBarrett » June 19th, 2009, 2:18 am

One day you feel like giving up as the frustration of not being able to hit a certain chord after weeks and weeks of trying, then the next day, you pick up your guitar, look at the tab and play without looking at your hands and.... :shock: you hit the chord.... so, you put the guitar down, scratch your head, walk around the room a bit and sit down and try it again... :shock: hit it again... hit it again...miss :( yes, :) miss :( .....hit :) - a bit like Juke Box Jury (an old music quiz show - look it up on YouTube).

It's on a barre F but I can then go to Bmaj7 to F#m to G - I FEEL ON TOP OF THE WORLD :D :D :D (and it helps play quite a few more tunes)

Ok, they're not perfect by any stretch of the imagination and they're all down the 'easy' end of the neck, but I tell you, I feel i've turned a corner today and i want to share it with you.

So I can't dance around the fretboard and get clear barres when practicing While My Guitar Gently Weeps, but what the heck, I now know that one day I WILL get them....

Rock on!
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Re: What you've learned about guitar (including my 800 days)

Post by Vic Lewis VL » June 19th, 2009, 5:15 am

Dylan Barrett wrote:So I can't dance around the fretboard and get clear barres when practicing While My Guitar Gently Weeps, but what the heck, I now know that one day I WILL get them....
You certainly will, with that attitude! Rock On, Dylan!

:D :D :D

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Re: What you've learned about guitar (including my 800 days)

Post by KR2 » June 19th, 2009, 5:35 am

DylanBarrett wrote:. . . after weeks and weeks of trying, then the next day, you pick up your guitar, look at the tab and play without looking at your hands and.... :shock: you hit the chord.... so, you put the guitar down, scratch your head, walk around the room a bit and sit down and try it again... :shock: hit it again...
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Re: What you've learned about guitar (including my 800 days)

Post by DylanBarrett » June 19th, 2009, 10:53 am

Porridge... :shock:

Dont' ask... :roll:

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Re: What you've learned about guitar (including my 800 days)

Post by ShadyHarrison » June 20th, 2009, 8:54 am

What key are you playing "While My Guitar" in? I don't remember there being that many barres in it?
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Re: What you've learned about guitar (including my 800 days)

Post by DylanBarrett » June 21st, 2009, 4:55 am

I think it's A?

It's the Dave Hodge lesson.

I still don't know how to work out how you know what key a song is in.... :roll:

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Post by ShadyHarrison » June 23rd, 2009, 11:32 pm

I don't have any idea either. (David? Cue lesson. :))
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Re: What you've learned about guitar (including my 800 days)

Post by tldavis92 » June 25th, 2009, 8:05 am

I believe it is A minor because the opening chord is an A minor. Also, if you look at the key signature there are no sharps or flats, indicating that the key is either C Major or its relative, A minor. Plus, it just sounds like a minor key song. :-)

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Post by KR2 » June 25th, 2009, 8:23 am

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Re: What you've learned about guitar (including my 800 days)

Post by jbiafra » June 27th, 2009, 6:07 pm

learn open position major chords, starting with C, G, and F. then learn D, E, and A. then learn Amin and Emin. then learn A and E pattern barre chords, followed by Amin and Emin barre chords. then learn power chords. while you're playing around in power chords, learn some theory. don't get stuck using power chords for everything

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Re: What you've learned about guitar (including my 800 days)

Post by Coolnama » July 10th, 2009, 12:18 pm

Lol I learned exactly ( well not exactly ) the opposite way, first I learned power chords, then open chords then barre chords, and now I'm using C barre chords ( moving down the C shape ).

Now I'm playing around with those and then next on maybe I'll learn something else o.o, maybe some picking techniques
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Re: What you've learned about guitar (including my 800 days)

Post by Coolnama » July 10th, 2009, 12:28 pm

Chris C wrote:
corbind wrote:I have to laugh at so many things I thought of as reality, when I first started playing, and was not. I was angry at my guitar teacher in that he could not tell me what he was doing. I mean, isn't that an expectation for a newbie? I thought so.

But, after a few years of playing, I found out that was not the case. Players play and VERY often don't know what they are doing. Why? Instinct. And hours behind the instrument.


This is my list of vital ingredients:

Timing.

If you don't have both control and flair in your timing you've got nothing. You need good timing to play with others and to create any kind of musical impression effectively.

Instinct.

As Corbind said you have to get your playing to the level where it's happening instinctively. You can't keep thinking "play a B then an F#... put my ring finger on the fourth fret of the third string..." it's got to become completely instinctive and automatic.

Touch.

Good playing is more than just hitting the right notes in the correct order. There must be subtlety and variation in the dynamics. Developing good 'touch' (which I'd put down as a blend of placement, balance, and degrees of force) is a major goal for me.

Style.

Last, but not least, I want my playing to have some style. Not just a personal style that sounds like me, rather than a copy of someone else's playing, but also that hard to define quality that sets apart the merely technically proficient from the expressive and artistic.

So that's my goal. Timing, Instinct, Touch and Style. It's nice to be able to put some balls into your playing, but don't ignore the T.I.T.S. The Yin and yang of music I guess. :wink:

Cheers,

Chris
Hell yes! lol

But I really have to agree with the timing thing, one perfectly placed note can sound better than a flurry of notes just thrown into the air, kinda like Jeff Beck, he didn't do anything too excentric or crazy but he sure as heck sounded good.

And about the knowing thing, I really always like to know what I'm doing :roll: xD I dunno I just like it to be able to say so next I'm doing an A add 9 b 5 ( I'm still not sure what the b stands for O_O if anybody can tell me, bemol ? ).

The same with scales, I have discovered that you can play pretty much everywhere on the fretboard for anything if you know what exact notes you are supposed to be hitting, and you don't have to be in the same key, sometimes you use a for example the scale of the Relative Minor of whatever Key its in for a different sound.

But I like to know what I'm doing so that I can teach it to other people correctly.

I get so annoyed when I'm playing with other people and they can't tell me the name of the chord they are using, or whatever they are doing so that i can atleast look it up on the internet.

Wow what a pointless rant O_O xD
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Re: What you've learned about guitar (including my 800 days)

Post by cnev » July 13th, 2009, 11:41 am

b=flat so the b5 is the flatted 5th
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Re: What you've learned about guitar (including my 800 days)

Post by DylanBarrett » September 22nd, 2009, 12:57 am

I HATE MUSCLE MEMORY :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

For a year and a half I've been messing around with Dust in the Wind and somewhere along the line I've gone from Travis picking to some kind of arpeggio fingering. :roll: Now I'm trying to play it with the correct picking pattern and I just can't play the bloody thing...Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Rock on!
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