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(@rahul)
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Well , it has been some time since i asked a question out here.So here goes...

While listening to these songs -

1.Tequila by The Champs

2.Walk of life by Dire Straits

3.Matter of trust by Billy Joel

I have heard some 'tak' 'tak' 'tak' going on in a certain fashion so as to keep the rhythm.It sounds quite good to me.What exactly is the term for this kind of playing ?

So if you have heard these songs i mention , please guide as to how to play such notes on the guitar.Is it with or without a pick ?

Thanks ,

Rahul


   
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(@dogbite)
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without hearing the songs I'll take a stab.

Rahul, you say you hear it in the rythm?.

if so, it is a method of playing that gives you that sound. it is strum /palm mute creating a beat and rythm.
what I do is down stroke a strum (beat one)
then on the second beat I strum and instantaneously palm mute...leaning the fleshy part of my picking hand lands on the bridge.
the strum and mute is just about the same moment.
the muted strings are played giving the tak you hear.

on old Sun Record releases, especially on rockabilly, I hear a click click in tempo. it doesnt sound like a drummer's rim shot.
more like someone on a pair of spoons.

but what I think you are hearing is the rythm mute strum.

right? or wrong?

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(@rahul)
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Dogbite ,

You are absolutely correct.The muted note.

But it seems so fast , i wonder how to do it.

Actually while palm muting , i lose the whole sound.Can it be done on an acoustic too ?


   
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(@dogbite)
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Rahul. this technique is actually most common with acoustic guitar.
from the folk age to the present..it has added percussion to the rythm...making the song more interesting.

in the extreme, one can mute (at the bridge) all the strings and strum.a percussive sound is heard. and by strum I do not mean a lazy slow strum...it is actually quite quick and intentful.

play with it by muting ever so slightly less and less each time you strum.
the looser strings may not produce a note per se, but they will produce more and more of a percussive 'rattle' for lack of a better word.

I do this technique on my electric, but the 'feel' and sound is quite different.
on acoustic it is used very often.
I am trying to think of examples on acoustic, but not coming up with much.

I bet Jorma on Hot Tuna's first LP does it.
maybe, Paul Simon?

hope this helps.

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The other thing to note, Rahul, is that you're not going to get that sound very well on a classical guitar. Especially on the first three strings. You can get close on your three bass strings, but it's still going to sound slightly, what would be the word, less bold perhaps?

Palm muting on an acoustic requires a bit of finesse, so be patient with it. Also try out different thicknesses of picks in order to help produce more clarity in your muted notes.

On a side note, a lot of old records from the early sixties, and The Champs might fit into this (on a totally unrelated side note, both Seals and Crofts were members of The Champs), still used acoustic basses and doubled the bass part on a baritone guitar, precisely to get that "tik tak" sound on the heavier strings of the baritone.

Hope this helps.

Peace


   
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(@coloradofenderbender)
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Rahul:

I can play a left hand muted fairly quickly. Simple cover the fretboard with your left hand to mute the strings, then strum with your pick. It works well, for example, when you are barring a chord. Strum the barre chord, then release the pressure off the strings, but keep your left hand covering the strings and strum again. Try different patterns of pressing the chord and left hand muting. I think this is what you are hearing in those recordings.

Mike


   
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(@rahul)
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Mike , i can do the mute you talk about.Infact , it forms a big part in my playing sometimes. (Welcome to the forum btw ! ).And essentially you are also pointing in that direction , dogbite.Thanks to you both :)

David , i think you are correct.The classical won't allow much of this muting.I have to move fairly fast between the strings and then also have to keep the rhythm so as to get that sound.I don't play with picks too.Maybe i should try them for the sake of learning...

I guess the technique i am asking about is called 'Muted arpeggios'.(And Mark Knopfler has something to do with it , doesn't he ? )


   
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also, let me clarify a biot what Ive said.

one does not have to mute on the bridge.
with acoustic, one can do this effect/technique away from the bridge. tey it over the sound hole.
just be quick after the strum. think percussion.

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