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is there a relatively easy open position IVb chord for a beginner

ex: Rainy Day Women #12 & #35 has F C Bb progression

F & Bb are outta my range so I was looking to transpose but I couldn't find any open chord IVb

any help is appreciated


   
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(@off-he-goes)
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I think most flat chords (b) are going to be barre chords. That or really strange fingered chords. You could play them in power chords if you like. It won't sound the same, but it would be easier.

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In the key of F, that's a plain old I-IV-V progression. (I-V-IV as you listed it, actually.)

Go here: http://www.looknohands.com/chordhouse/guitar/index_rb.html

Enter F as the key, major scale, and it'll give you the notes and their positions on the fretboard. Look up the chords for F, Bb and C, and it'll show you where all the notes in those chords are so you can figure out good voicings for them.

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I think you are thinking that the Bb chord is a "flatted fourth" chord. From that progression, it appears the song is in the key of F. F contains:

F G A Bb C D E F

So F - C - Bb is a I -V - IV progression.

With that in mind, try this progession: G - D - C. This is a I - V - IV, as well, just in the Key of G.

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(@pkrider)
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Why not try a simple G, D, C. Since you're transposing you don't hafta choose a key where's there's a flat. A,E,D could work, or D,A,G, or C,G, F. Choose a key that fits your vocal range. All of the aforementioned progressions are I, V, IV.

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(@ldavis04)
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Have you considered using barre cords?

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(@wes-inman)
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Yep, that is just an ordinary I, IV, V progression.

So, this transposes to:

C, F, G
C#, F#, G# or Db, Gb, Ab (they are the same)
D, G, A
D#, G#, A# or Eb, Ab, Bb (they are the same)
E, A, B
F, Bb, C
F#, B, C# or Gb, B, Db (they are the same)
G, C, D
G#, C#, D# or Ab, Db, Eb (they are the same)
A, D, E
A#, D#, F or Bb, Eb, F (they are the same)
B, E, F#

And there are ways to play flat chords without barres. You can play

Bb X X 0 2r 2p 1i (in order from 6th string to 1st string) X= do not play

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(@vic-lewis-vl)
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You could try the D G A chords with a capo on the 3rd fret - back to F, Bb and C!

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Do you mean F and Bb are out of your vocal range or just the range of finger strength for chords. If vocal, certainly use a I-IV-V for you vocal range. if finger strength, I am going to be a hard ass and say stick with it, those chords are always a pain in the butt. However, the sooner you get them, the sooner you got them. If the whole chord is giving you issues, try playing triads of them...basically just play the root, the 3rd and the 5th. try it out and let me know what ya think.

F triad: x B triad: 2
1 4
2 4
3 x
x x
x x

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oops it did not post right, lets try this...

F triad

x
1
2
3
x
x

b triad

2
4
4
x
x
x

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