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(@swisstony)
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i can play the whole song except the end solo, mainly becaue i cant work it out. it would help alot if i new what scale(s) it was based around. it seems like the start is a mixolydian but from there i dont know where to go with it. any ideas?

cheers peeps!

mike

bin playing for 7 years or so.....even lost 15% of hearin in my right ear after the last gig


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(@alex_)
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i didnt know slash used modes, the only guitarist i knew who was an absolute master of modes is Ritchie Blackmore.


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(@swisstony)
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yeah richie = legend.

bin playing for 7 years or so.....even lost 15% of hearin in my right ear after the last gig


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(@hbriem)
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i didnt know slash used modes,

What?!?  You mean he never changed chords?

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(@swisstony)
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What?!?  You mean he never changed chords?

??? no he means scale modes

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(@alex_)
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i didnt say anything about chords.


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(@hbriem)
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You can't play guitar without using modes.

It's impossible unless you just play the same note all the time.

That's why I replied.  I was being sarcastic.

But you don't need to "know modes".  They pretty  much take care of themselves if you ignore them.

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(@alex_)
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well chords dont create a mode, and people stick in a key, to play a mode a tonal centre needs to be there, constant use of the root note needs to be there so the modal sound is estabalished..

i can imagine a few people would stumble on that without knowing..

but far from "every guitarist"


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(@psychonik)
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unless your music is completely atonal and random, modes are like breating... they sorta just come with the territory, whethter you realize it or not. to defy using modes is like stubbornly holding your breath... you can onbly do it so long... but if your stubborn enough, you might pass out.

and about the song... slash doesnt stick to modes very well... i think it's kinda like a gypsy or hungarian mode... but dont hold me to that.

it's a pain in the butt to figure out what slash is doing. It would be awesome if someone could answer this question, cause then i would be able to play it, too! :P


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(@greybeard)
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Anyone who plays Major, minor, minor, major, major, minor, diminished is using modes.

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(@alex_)
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no, if you play major and minor chords and diminished...

it doesnt mean your using modes...

modality comes in melody, not harmony.


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(@dcarroll)
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Slash uses harmonic minor a lot, especially in Swt. child.

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(@audioslaveaddict)
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Well to tell you all the truth, when slash first started playing in GnR, he did not have knowledge of scales let alone modes...over the years of course he has developed a working knowledge of them.

This post was not meant to answer any questions or whatnot...just to cause trouble... :D

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(@greybeard)
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Alex, to create the sequence of chords maj, min, min, maj, maj, min, dim, you use the 1st, 3rd and 5th degrees of each of the modes in turn.
So by definition, you are using modes.

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(@paul-donnelly)
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I think it's more accurate to say that, while you, personally, might be using your knowledge of modes to construct the chords, you are, by definition, not using them. Modes are not the theoretical construct being applied, chords are.


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