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(@hueseph)
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Just testing out my new toy. Bought a Digi 001 and I'm trying to convince myself that it was a worthwhile investment. At first I have to admit, I was hating ProTools. Convoluted piece of garbage. Well it is convoluted but also quite powerful and I'm just digging into the meat of it. I'll stick with Cubase for midi but audio sounds so nice with ProTools.

Feel free to shatter my ego. 8) I deserve it. And for anyone who has ever questioned whether or not you can get a decent recording with a cheap mic. Here it is. A Shure PG57(drum mic) and a garbage guitar. Litterally a friend was about to throw it out, but I rescued it. It works but the tone is really uneven and you can hear where it frets out when I try to do a bend. All that after I adjusted the truss and filed down the really bad frets. My playing is really half hearted too but judge for yourself. Some of you might recognize the tune wich has lyrics normally. I'm gonna try and do the song over the way I intended. Anyway, enough of me rambling.

http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=5502265&q=hi

Digitest w/gargage guitar:

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=344987

https://soundcloud.com/hue-nery/hue-audio-sampler


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(@dogbite)
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your picking is sublime. the rhythm has a brick tied to it. if it were smoother you'd have a number one hit.

that garbage guitar has good tone for picking. the boxiness of the chord tones are probably from an unbraced top.
I have a cheapo guitar that sounds that way when I strum.

beautiful arpeggios. :)

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(@hueseph)
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Thanks for your honest crit. I've been playing it that way for so long, I've never tried anything more straight forward. The rhythm is played on my nylon string Sigma. My original concept was to incorporate some flamenco style rasgueado. There's some definite squawks and clanks in there otherwise. The guitar is actually a nice solid spruce top guitar but it's surprisingly dark sounding. I've always had problems recording it. I'm gonna try again with new strings. Maybe a change of hand position would help? Any advice would be appreciated.

You can definitely hear where I'm completely unsure of what I'm playing as I tend to quiet down quite a bit. On top of that, it's a bit of mindless wanking. I would prefer to work out a melody but I never usually solo over and entire track like that.

https://soundcloud.com/hue-nery/hue-audio-sampler


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(@dogbite)
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it is good to stretch like you are. you should work this one out further. that flaminco feeling is killer.
I like the natural clanks and stuff. it makes it sound more analog than cold digital.
I left a string buzz in Prison Blues because it was human sounding.

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(@demoetc)
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For the nylon, you might try aiming the mic uh, kinda hard to describe; let's see: Looking at the guitar face on, neck pointing up, it would be a spot between the bottom right-hand corner of the bridge 'wing' and the right lower bout of the guitar. Sort of a 45 degree angle if you draw a line from that bridge edge to the right lower bout.

And then about an inch or two down that line from the actual bridge.

This is assuming you're right handed.

Another good place is right above the area where the fretboard joins the body; actually over the frets that are on the body, with the mic angled backward toward the sound hole. A problem with that, especially with a condenser mic, is that it picks up your breathing if you're leaning that way.

I knew a guy once who also had a mic pointing at the back of the bottom of the guitar where it hangs over your leg, or in a classical position, leans back against your chest. He used that along with the 'slightly below the bridge on the right side' placement.

By the way I really like that lead; if that's 'half-hearted' then...wow man. :)


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(@hueseph)
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DemoEtc: Thanks for the advice. I'll try that soundboard micing thing. I actually mic'd this one at the neck joint. The best results I've had are with a condenser 3 to 6 feet away. It allows for the sound to disperse and just sounds very natural, not to mention, it eliminates the problems with proximity effect. Unfortunately, right now I don't own a condenser.

I sold everything about a year ago out of frustration. Still trying to get back all my gear. This "new" to me Digi 001 interface is the first real semi-pro card I've ever owned. When they came out they retailed at about a grand. I got this one for a tenth of that.

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(@dneck)
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sounds really nice man You make good music :)

"And above all, respond to all questions regarding a given song's tonal orientation in the following manner: Hell, it don't matter just kick it off!"
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Wow! You did that with a drum mic! It sounded clear as a bell on my BX8a's. I thought that was my chair creeking like that for a second, then I realized I wasn't moving!

I still can't get over how clean it sounded. Do you keep the input really low then step it up in ProTools or is that straight out of the box clean? Have you ever tried the MobilePre, if so, how would you compare the two interfaces?

Hmmm......


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(@dan-t)
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By the way I really like that lead; if that's 'half-hearted' then...wow man. :)

+1! I think there may be parts you could improve, but I think it's really good the way it is too. Very nice feel, and the recording is crystal clear. Good job Hue! 8)

Dan

"The only way I know that guarantees no mistakes is not to play and that's simply not an option". David Hodge


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(@hueseph)
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Thanks all.

Mike: that's straight through the digi 001. I did use a hi pass filter and cut some of the mid on the steel string. Other than that I didn't do much. Like many things less is often more. Now if I could just bring the nylon string up to par.

In comparison to the Mobile pre...well, I can't really compare. I have never owned a Mobile pre. I did own a Delta 44 which was fine depending on what you used as a preamp. The thing is that the Digi 001 really was a high end Semi Pro unit at the time it came out. Th A/D converters were some of the best for the prosumer/semi-pro market which really accounts for a lot of the clarity.

That being said, I'm pretty confident that you could get at least similar and maybe better results with the mobile pre. I've had more than 10years of practice and some years behind a pro console. Practice makes perfect. The prosumer gear today blows away some of the High end gear 10years ago. (others will argue)

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(@dneck)
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would you suggest using a highpass filter to record a mandolin and vocals? My friend was just showing me how to use mine yesterday.

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(@hueseph)
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You could try a hi pass filter on vox and mandolin. Personally and for my voice, I definitely employ a hi pass filter. There may be overtones that are cut off though so it really depends on the voice/instrument. You just have to try it. If it sounds good great! You can't really trust procedure with audio. It's always about what you hear more than what gadet you use.

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 Mike
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I maybe using the wrong term here but, it sounds like you have a ton of headroom. If you listen to my latest GTR, you can hear that airy/swooshy type sound like when you have the input all the way up (which I have to have it all the way up because I'll get a faint sound if I don't). I'm using the SM57. Do you think that is more the mic or the interface? Maybe both? :?

They're both dynamic mic's so it's not like your getting more help from phantom power.

It's got to be the interface.


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(@hueseph)
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Likely the interface. A lot of those cheaper units have poor preamps. So, you generally end up with a lot of noise with dynamic mics because they are less sensitive. A better preamp into the line input or a cheap condensor would solve this. Don't spend too much money though. Even Behringer or Samson will be sufficient.

These are cheap and you could mic in stereo!

http://www.behringer.com/C-2/index.cfm?lang=eng 8)

Even cheaper:

http://www.behringer.com/C-3/index.cfm?lang=eng

If you decide to go with a large diaphragm condenser, distance is your friend. Because of the sensitivity, proximity effect is also more apparent, which can result in unwanted "boominess". (yeah that's a technical term. :P )

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 Mike
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8) $80 isn't bad for two condensers. I'd rather upgrade the interface though. I have the MXL 990 and 991 package, but I'm to lazy to take them out half the time.

All aspects of this track sound really good, but then again, I expect that from you.

Thank you for your help sir! :D


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