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Hi All-

I have been playing an electric guitar for nearly two years, and I have to confess I know next to nothing about the various effects available to modify the sound. I know only a couple of basic thinks, like turning up the pre-gain adds distortion, but I am totally in the dark about thinks like chorus and wah and compressors all of that other stuff and how you combine them to get different sounds. I have a peavy Stereo Chorus 130 amp with some effects available plus a Digitech multi-effects pedal with many pre-programmed combinations, most of which I condier to sound like crap because they seem to over-distort the sound, probably ok for metal but not much else.

What I would liketo have is some sourt of way to know what each different type of effect sounds like, so that I at least have a clue about what combination of effects would be right to give me a sound that I might be looking for. Are there any good guides available. For any of you who are well versed in efects and how to customize your sound, how did you develop that ability.

Haven't seen many posts on this board about this subject, si I was wondering.

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Mike

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I remember finding a site at Harmony Central.
it posted the stomp box and by clicking you could hear the effect it produced.
one drawback was the typically crappy speakers on compuiter and you have no idea what guitar was used etc.
still, it helped to show what a phaser does and the difference between a flanger and chorus.

I looked through my notes but I cant find that old site.
perhaps a search for 'effect samples' at Harmony Central,com

let us know what you find.

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Let me do some quick digging and I'll post something I found a while back ago. It's an article that explains all of the different effect by means of...........monkeys. Yes, that's right. Monkeys.

Ok, just hang tight for a bit and I'll post it. You'll see what I mean.

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Ok, here it is. Not the original, but along the same idea:

EFFECTS PEDAL MONKEY EXPLAINS IT ALL

The “Monkey Explains it All” FX guides were created as a response to a request for a simple explanation for how an envelope filter works, posted on the Harmony Central forums (acapella.harmony-central.com). Due to enthusiastic response, they grew quickly to the format you see now, i.e. very scruffy indeed.

Feel free to quote the FX guide anywhere you like, as long as the first two paragraphs are included and the original text is not altered in any way.

Envelope Filter:
Envelope filter is a bit like an automatic wah (not to be confused with auto-wah). Imagine that you have a wah pedal and a well-trained monkey.

When you hit the strings hard, the monkey pushes the rocker pedal forwards. As the volume decreases the monkey pulls the rocker pedal back. So the volume envelope of the guitar signal determines the position of the pedal, via the monkey. Now imagine that the monkey is a tiny monkey hidden in a pedal, and that the rocker pedal is a rocker pedal hidden inside your stomp box. Then it's a simple step to imagine that there's actually no monkey or rocker pedal, and that it's all done in electronics.

So basically, if you hit the strings hard you get a treble boost, and as the signal from the strings dies away the boost fades. If you regulate how hard you play, you can get a similar sound to how many people use wah, emphasising the upper frequencies as you hit the strings.

Harmonizer:
A harmoniser is a specialised pitch shifter. I'll break out the monkeys again for an analogy-rich description, if I may.

Imagine that there is a well-trained monkey. This monkey has a pair of headphones on, through which he can hear what you're playing. He also has a guitar that sounds just like your one. There's a dial on the front of the box where you choose what key you're playing in, and another that lets you choose what interval you want (e.g. a fifth, a major third or whatever else). The monkey looks at what you've chosen on the two dials, hears what you're playing and plays a note at that interval in the scale you've chosen. His signal and yours are mixed together and fed back out.

As in previous analogies, imagine that the monkey is inside the pedal/rack unit, and is tiny, with a tiny guitar and a tiny pair of headphones. Then simply imagine that there isn't really a monkey, and that it's all done with some very clever electronics. Ta da!

Analog Delay:
Imagine a line of laid back, hippy monkeys, each with a guitar just like yours. They're sitting on little stools in a cunning arrangement such that each monkey can only hear the monkey sat before him. The first monkey hears what you played, turns to the next monkey and plays it back to him. He then turns, and plays to the next monkey. At each stage, little mistakes are introduced due to the hippy monkeys' inherent laid-back-ness. At the end, the last monkey plays, and his guitar is connected to the output.

The monkeys are in a big big circle, and the first monkey, as well as hearing what you're playing, can also hear the last monkey - but not very well. There's a baffle between them, which cuts down how much he can hear. The first monkey plays both what you're playing and what he can hear of what the last monkey is playing, and this is passed on as before.

Now imagine the monkeys are tiny, as before, with tiny guitars and tiny stools and a tiny baffle. They're in a box. A knob labelled “feedback” controls the baffle. Then, kapoosh! The monkeys disappear and are replaced by a Bucket Brigade chip, and off we go.

Digital Delay:
Exactly the same as analog delay, but there are many more monkeys, and they're all actuaries and very precise. Some people miss the laid-back-ness of the hippy monkeys, but many like knowing that little actuary monkeys are taking very good care of what they're playing. Some of the monkeys know special tricks, like making what they play come out of the output even though they're not the last monkey.

Chorus:
Thousands of monkeys are sat on stools in a large hall. Each has a guitar like yours (getting repetitive yet?). They are all sat at different distances from you, and hence hear what you're playing at different times. As soon as you start to play, they all copy what you're playing. In an analog chorus, laid-back hippy monkeys (see analog delay) are used; in a digital delay straight-laced actuary monkeys are used. Because they are all playing just slightly out of sync with you, it gives a much richer, fuller sound. In most types of chorus, the monkeys are actually sitting on an old-style fairground carousel, and therefore each gets nearer and further away from you, hence playing with a different delay as the carousel turns and giving a warbled sound.

Yada yada tiny tiny monkeys yada yada. Nice knob controls how fast the carousel spins. Ta da!

Phaser:
Similar, overall, to chorus, but there are only, typically, 2, 4, 8, or maybe 12 monkeys in total. Phaser gives a sucked, whooshing noise.

Flanger:
Two monkeys. One has a guitar just like yours, but with a tremolo bridge (if yours doesn't have one). He plays the same notes as you, but the other monkey is quite mischievous and is constantly wobbling the tremolo arm up and down. When the sound of the first monkey's guitar is mixed with yours, the subtle pitch differences create a whooshing, almost jet-like sound. Some flangers use several teams of monkey guitarists and tremolo wobblers.

Compression:
Picture the scene. Sicily, 1947. A monkey. With a volume pedal. He has tinnitus, so he doesn't like loud noises, but needs things to be a certain volume level in order to hear them, poor little mite. He is wearing headphones. When you play, if it's too loud, he turns the volume down a little. If it's too quiet, he turns it up. He can do this quite quickly if he wants, but there's a big dial in front of him, telling him how fast he's allowed to turn the volume control. There's another control that determines how loud his headphones are compared to your guitar.

Pop the little chap in a box and paint it (traditionally) blue and off you go. Oh, it might be a good idea to replace him with some sort of electronics gubbins, to save his poor hearing.

Some compressors allow you to have a little effect loop in between your guitar and his headphones, so that you could (for instance) have him only listen to the bass part of your guitar sound, but work the volume control according to that.

Pitch Correction:
So, there's this monkey, goes into a bar (stop me if you've heard this one before), and he's got a little guitar just like yours with him. He also has a fancy Strobe tuner, and makes sure that he's perfectly in tune, and a music stand and the tab for your set. When you start playing, he unplugs you from the amp, sticks the cable into an A/B box, and plugs himself into the A/B box and then that into the amp. Both of you then start playing at the same time. If you go a little bit out of tune for any reason, the monkey carries on playing, and because of his shiny strobe tuner, he's always playing the right notes. He hits the A/B box pedal and plays until you get your act back together.

Just occasionally, you really muff up your lines. When this happens, the monkey throws his guitar to the floor in disgust and jumps on it, with bizarre noises as a result. He then quickly pulls out another guitar and carries on playing. But you know there'll be trouble later.

Solid State Overdrives:
Take an infinite number of monkeys, each with a guitar. The first is a third the size you are, and plays notes at 3 times the pitch of yours. The second is 1/5th the size of you and plays at five times your pitch, and the third is 1/7th the size of you and plays at seven times your pitch, and so on for the rest. The smaller monkeys are quieter than the larger ones, as you'd expect. They all play along with you, and the sound from each guitar is added into your signal. This gives quite a harsh fuzzy sound.

Tube Overdrive:
As above, but now the monkeys are different sizes. The first monkey and guitar are half the size of yours, and therefore play an octave higher than you. The next is a quarter the size of you, and plays two octaves higher, the next 1/6th the size of you and plays at 6 times your pitch and so on. Again, this gives a fuzzier sound, but one that's much smoother and easier on the ears than the SS overdrives.

Fuzz:
Essentially the same as solid-state overdrive, but the monkeys play louder, with the end result that the sound coming out is very very messy indeed. The monkeys particularly like this, because they get to play good and loud and generally make a racket. Fuzz monkeys are generally fed the most bananas.

Boutique FX:
Boutique FX function in basically the same way as non-boutique FX, with the following differences:

1) They only use free-range monkeys, who are very well fed and trained and love their work.
2) They are almost exclusively made with analog, hippy monkeys.
3) The monkeys, instead of having stools, have comfy designer chairs to sit on. Lay-z-boys are particularly popular. The boxes they live in are also brightly decorated, which the monkeys love.

These factors combine to make many people think that boutique FX produce better sound, due to the happier monkeys. However, these monkeys are very expensive to raise, and so the boutique FX tend to cost many more bananas to buy. There is much debate as to whether it's worth it.

Univibe:
Again, a monkey sitting on a stool. He plays the same thing as you, but there's another monkey spinning the first monkey's stool rapidly. This makes the first monkey dizzy, and the sound his guitar makes is therefore rather warbly. It's like a combination of flanger and chorus. Univibe is seen as rather cruel to the monkey on the stool, and therefore many guitarists prefer the sound of a Leslie speaker cabinet, in which a speaker (or two speakers) is/are rotated by a motor. Many say that the Leslie is much superior in sound as well, but they're bigger, heavier and more expensive than even a boutique monkey based univibe.

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Sounds like something I may or may not have seen in a flashback I may or may not have had.

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I remember finding a site at Harmony Central.
it posted the stomp box and by clicking you could hear the effect it produced.
one drawback was the typically crappy speakers on compuiter and you have no idea what guitar was used etc.
still, it helped to show what a phaser does and the difference between a flanger and chorus.

I looked through my notes but I cant find that old site.
perhaps a search for 'effect samples' at Harmony Central,com

let us know what you find.

You could always look up different guitar effects pedal company websites, I know that the Boss has the feature on their website to listen to many different effects pedals.

Steve-0


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(@rum-runner)
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Thanks, all, for the references. I am sure these will help me to understand what all effects are available and how they alter the sound. I will also begin experimenting some with my multi-effects pedal, perhaps trying one effect at a time to start and see what each sounds like, and then later perhaps venture into combinations. What I am thinking is that perhaps some of the pre-programmed effects in the pedal combine too many things and maybe that's why they sound so crappy.

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Mike

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I need more monkeys.

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I have to have my reverb, and some bluesy overdrive and I'm good to go :D I use a cry baby wah on occasion and maybe the odd effect once in a blue moon, but I'm more into what sound I can get with my fingers --the dog

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Wow, I guess effects really are more fun than a barrel of monkeys!

Great description.

Here's the link to the Harmony Central page with a series of effects resources:

Harmony Central: Effects Resources.

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Good idea to try out each effect separately, if you have been trying the presets on the digitech, what you will find is that the crappy sound comes from the higher distortion levels of the amp models. If you try the lower settings on the models it's not as harsh, but you also don't get as much bite, you can manipulate it a bit with the equalizer. Have fun! :D

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So, last night I began experimenting with the effects on the Digitech pedal one-by-one. I programmed the first three presets for the three types of wah that it had available and nothing else. The next I used only the compressor. The next two I programmed with just one effect eack- a chorus and a flange.

While I went through my normal practice routine I switced back and forth amongbthe varous effects and then played some with the pedal on bypass to compare the effect with an undistorted sound.

This is very helpful in learning about what the various effects do. The pedal has many more effects available- I'm going to program them all, one by one, into the pedal so I know what they all sound like.

They sounded interesting, but I am still not sure what I like the best. I will continue to experiment.

Thanks for all the advice.

Mike

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Slipperman: that's the key, really. You can read a billion on books on effects but you've just got to sit down, try each effect and attempt to explain to yourself what happens to the sound when you twiddle some knobs. Have fun. :)


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