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CitiZenNoir
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By the way;
What philosophical process are you employing in that post Roy????
Something on the fringe of Sophistry perhaps? :P

Ken

Um, advanced Royonpercocetism. Which, btw, is an incredible way to unleash my only validated creative skill. Cooking. That's a topic for another day.

I had to look up Sophistry. Looks like cynisism, sarcasm, insolence and general disrespect of others all rolled into one. I like it. :twisted: :twisted:

As far as the rest of the conversation's current subject matter, this is where I bow out and let the big kids talk. Once past Kafka, I'm toast for any writing, let alone German specific.

Well, glad you liked the idea of sophistry.... Yes, it's generally derogatory.
The way you started that post, argued your point and ended up back at the start reminded me of the
part in Heller's 'Catch-22' when Yosarrian trys to prove that he's 'personally' being persecuted though.
And half way thru that argument, he's accused of using sophistry to prove his point, :D

Percocet huh....
I know what it can be like - My ma was on percodan and valium once following a cancer surgery....
Our church minister came by one day to check on her and she answered the door in her panties and a short, thin, see thru
robe.
He came in for awhile, though his uncomfort was obviously apparent.
After he left, my ma couldn't figure out why he wouldn't look at her! :lol:

Hope you feel better soon Roy.

Ken

"The man who has begun to live more seriously within
begins to live more simply without"
-Ernest Hemingway

"A genuine individual is an outright nuisance in a factory"
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Rob77
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Ok, just read ll those posts getting up to date...my head hurts :(

My two cents: My wife is a vet & used to work with animals too. We're all for "hybrid vigour" which is why your good 'ol mongrel dog never gets sick, but your pure-breds are always at the vets vor congentital defects. (German Shepherds are one of the worst for it: ironic?)

So how about "Stickin' it to Nietzsche "?

I do like the philosophical names though, but most punters miss it. We play mostly country pubs & used to play in an outfit called "Rayzon Detra" (funky spelling intended) & no one ever got it...one time we were called "Raising Dexters", which are a type of minature cow. We still laugh about that one :lol:

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I'm pretty sure I've seen "Raisin Detra" somewhere...

"A cheerful heart is good medicine."


   
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CitiZenNoir
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Ok, just read ll those posts getting up to date...my head hurts :(

My two cents: My wife is a vet & used to work with animals too. We're all for "hybrid vigour" which is why your good 'ol mongrel dog never gets sick, but your pure-breds are always at the vets vor congentital defects. (German Shepherds are one of the worst for it: ironic?)

So how about "Stickin' it to Nietzsche "?

Actually, it would be; Sticking it to Darwin.

Yeah, I always thought that the purer the genes, the greater the risk for disaster....
Is that only true in animals????

Instead of Reason for Being, how about Being for Reason :?

Ken

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begins to live more simply without"
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Ignar Hillström
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Is that only true in animals????

It's not about 'purity' but about variety. Think about those tiny communities that live practically on their own: a hundred years of inbreeding will pretty much always result in homozygosity, and ultimately inbreeding depression.


   
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Rob77
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Is that only true in animals????

Not to be pedantic, but we are animals.

Some more than others, maybe :wink:

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CitiZenNoir
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Is that only true in animals????

It's not about 'purity' but about variety. Think about those tiny communities that live practically on their own: a hundred years of inbreeding will pretty much always result in homozygosity, and ultimately inbreeding depression.

I see.

Pure genes are okay, as long as it's not from a limited source;
ie. A small gene pool.

Thankx for throwin' those terms at me Arjen.

Ken

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My head hurts also....


   
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Rob77
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Ok. So after a THOUSAND gooogles etc the front runners are "Midnight Zephyrs", "Zephyr Express" & "These Mortals".
Whadyarekon?

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Rob77
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Band Name finally decided: "The Zephyr Project". Comming to a dive near you! :D

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CitiZenNoir
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Band Name finally decided: "The Zephyr Project". :D

Terrific.
Glad it's finally been agreed upon!

The Zephyr Project.... Kinda like - The Alan Parson's Project; Or Blues Project.
I like it.

Though, 'Project: Zephyr' sounds good too! :twisted:
Gives it that early space program vibe, like; 'Project: Mercury'

I dunno - Guess I like that backwards military speak.... Like; Specimen: Unknown

Zephyr reminds me of an old 30's locomotive....
How about a nice Art Deco Locomotive as the 'band mascot'....?
(or at the least, an album cover? :wink: )

Ken

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begins to live more simply without"
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CitiZenNoir
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The top pic is a Deco 'Streamlined' Locomotive....
The bottom is an actual Zephyr type.

Ken

"The man who has begun to live more seriously within
begins to live more simply without"
-Ernest Hemingway

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Rob77
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Hey I like that!!!
I liked "Project: Zephyr" too, but the other fits with out sprecial guests.. for example, at the moment we're playing as "Ugly Graham & The Zephyr Project".

We got on the zephyr thing because it's a) a cool breeze (in ancient greek) & b) a classic 50's/ 60's car (made by ford) here in Australia. But I like that top picture - that'd be a cool album cover. No we just need money to record.....
there's always something! 8)

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Fever and Hum
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Wow -
Well, I can't really let a good coversation about Nietzsche get away! :twisted:

This could get kinda complicated in just this small slice of his many facets.... hope I don't lose anyone in my
poor writing abilities....

First - Not even close to being a Nazi.... IMO, not political either way.
I see the Nazi's being closer to Social Darwinism than to Nietz.'s philosophy's.

And Nietz. was accoused of being Social Darwinistic.... Not true.

Nietzsche's 'Ubermensch' was not Darwinistic in that Darwinism is about the 'Natural Order' of things.... Natural Selection.

The 'Ubermensch Concept' is about the 'Will' to become that.... That it was not up to nature, more; Man had to have a WILL
to better himself AND the race [of all mankind] in general.

To say that the Ubermensch is beyond morality doesn't exactly do the concept justice....
That almost seems to have negative connotations....
Singularly ~ Jesus Christ could be considered 'Ubermensch' - He was perfect and therefore 'beyond morals'.
(Yes, I know Nietzsche was the one who said God is Dead.... bear with me :wink: )

The concept of the Ubermensch is about the evolution of mankind.... Quite literally.
To leave behind what we are now and evolve to the next step.... To look back and see what we are now
as we now see the ape.

The Ubermensch Concept was introduced by Nietzsche in his book: Thus Spake Zarathrustra.

It is that concept that is the key to understanding the movie/book 2001: A Space Odyssey.
If you've ever thought - WOW, what a great movie! Too bad I don't know what it's about....?
Now you do.

It starts with apes (pre-mankind).... And in the end, we see mankind evolve Beyond Man, or 'Over Man' (Uber Mensch).
If that's not good enough - Can any of you tell me what the name of the song is that is the 'theme' song of 2001????
I'll tell you -
Also Sprach Zarathrustra by Strauss. (See that, I tied music into this :) )

Also, (back to the Hitler thing).... Hitler and Darwinism want to weed out the weak, sick, 'the unperfect' and create
a strong and perfect gene pool....
Where as Nietzsche saw any 'anomaly' as being beneficial to evolution;
Which also infuses an ingredient not unlike compassion into Nietzsche's philosphies (at least compared to Darwinism).

And if you haven't yet read 'The Birth of Tragedy' ~ I highly recomend it.... Probably my fav Nietzsche book.

Ken
You know, there's a wealth of band names in this post. My fave is "It Starts With Apes"
I have hi lighted possibilities.


   
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jackss565
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Well done for choosing the name, i like it. And i agree either of those pics would make a good cover, nice find citizennoir.

Jack


   
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