Who makes you skin crawl

Nails on a chalkboard to me....
Minnie Ripperton
Barry Manilow
Kurt Cobain

3 doors down
good charlotte
simple plan
ace frehley

Good Charlotte still exists? Been pretty quiet around here about them, are they dead or un-cool?

My opinion on rap "music" is exactly that....my opinion. I'll hold my hands up and admit, all I've heard is mainstream stuff...the thing is, I have no desire whatsoever to hear any other rap....there may well be talented performers out there, but I just don't care....to me there's no MUSIC there, and on the odd occasion there is, it's usually stolen from other artists....

And it's not even that I'm an old stick-in-the-mud who's not open to listening to anything else but classic rock...the last couple of years or so, I've listened to a lot of country music, most of it reccommended by the good folks on here..also a lot more blues....believe it or not, I'd never even heard of Stevie Ray Vaughan until I joined GN...

I'm not a big metal fan, but at least I can appreciate the musicianship...

But when it comes to rap, the whole genre leaves me cold....and no amount of intelligent discussion will make me change my mind....it may be my loss, but music has got to move me in some way...the only way rap music will ever move me is towrds the exit....

:D :D :D

Vic

It's like strawberry milkshakes: if you really don't like strawberry milkshakes you wouldn't even appreciate the best strawberry milkshake ever. 8)

OK Vic your showing your age. Actually I do feel the same way about rap and metal to some degree. I can listen to a lot more metal than rap though, which I almost never listen too.

I'm not a real fan of either but I have to admit there is talent to do those things. But as a guitar player I sure would like to be able to shred. Of course whether or not you consider it good music is a matter of opinion.

I could probably make a laundry list of artists that I don't care for that most people would think I'm crazy but the fact is that for whatever reason their music doesn't do much for me. Just as an example here's a few:

Beatles - some great songs but I wouldn't go out an buy an album
SRV - Never really did it for me
Allman Brothers- So so
Bob Dylan - Some of his stuff is pretty good
Rush - Can't stand

I guess I'm kind of an enigma when it comes to musical tastes. They are very varied and random. Even the artists I do like there are only a couple that I like most of their music, for many of them I only like certain songs and not necessarily their hits.

I can't explain nor have I ever really tried but pretty much I can tell by the first verse whether or not I'll like a song and very rarely do I chnage my mind, although some have taken awhile to kind of grow on me.

But that's what's cool about music, it brings up different emotions/feelings for different people so everyone has their own personal connection to it.
You may cry when you hear a song because it reminds you of a sad moment in your life and it may bring me happiness because I have a positive memory.

To me music is music not matter what form it's in and I'm in no position to judge what's good or not good all I know is what I enjoy.

Even though I might hate rap, it's still music and because they sampled some artists music doesn't make it all bad. Everything doesn't have to be unique to be good.

I do find it a little contratictive that I've seen so many people on hear talk about how you should make the songs you play your own if your doing covers, yet they bash a rap star for sampling...isn't he just putting his own twist on the song?

OK now I'll probably be banished for life from this forum!

Just for that comment, Vic, the next time I fly into Manchester, we can meet in the bar and I'll buy you a beer (or three).

I'll give any type of music a chance, but when I see rampant commercialism overshadowing mediocre talent, then I lose whatever interest there may have been.

Rap? C-rap.

Spend time looking for the nuggets? No way, too many good things going on to waste time on third rate drivel.

Vic/Greybeard,

Nothing personal just a friendly debate ( I like to root for the underdog)and actually for the most part I agree with you and don't worry Vic, your really not that old...actually I think I'm older than you, I just don't want to beleive it.

I hear you and I'm pretty much on board with it. I don't really listen to it and for the most part I don't like it, but that's only my opinion, which means nothing to the millions of people that like it.

What I don't really agree with is that because most people don't like it they equate that with the lack of talent, which in my opinion is wrong.

Rapping or rapping over other artists samples or whatever still takes some sort of talent that most people do not have.

I would bet that close to 100% of the people that bash rap couldn't rap if they tried never mind put up a hit that millions of people buy. Whether you recognize it as a talent or not, it really is.

Everyone that is saying how much rap sux is the same thing your parents were saying about Elvis and rock and roll. I think part of the allure with rap and hip hop type music is the heavy beat that for the most part is danceable too and young people especially girls like to dance. I have to admit it does have a better beat to dance to than most rock and roll. Can you imaging dancing to Freebird?

I have no tolerance for bad poetry. And I think that is why I don't care for most rap and hip hop -- the whole rhymin' thing just grates. But, there are rap tunes that I do enjoy. I found early Will Smith (DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince) to be pretty good stuff -- especially given the humor with which it was delivered. Some of the stuff from Outkast and the Black-eyed Peas is good. Ditto Run DMC. I've even found myself watching or listening to the Beastie Boys occasionally. A lot of hip hop and rap is built around complex and interesting rhythms -- this I can appreciate. However, 99.95 of the lyrics are never going to be something that relates to my experiences or situations, so I'm really not grabbed -- and in some cases, just outright repelled. Guess I just related to the "Wayne Brady" of rap.

To add to the list of skin crawl first:
Yellowcard - I can't put into words my dislike
Incubus - so blah

As for rap...
Every rap song I've ever heard just talks about how great they are. "I'm mike Jones, don't act like you dont know the name!" etc..
I agree and think that it is such a weird irony. All of the rappers, who mostly come from poverty, sing about how great they are and how much money they have. On the other hand, the white kids who half the time are middle class sing about being oppressed - go figure. Not to say that there aren't any rappers with a message and I think some have talent. In recent years, I have found some rap to be enjoyable but still use it mors as a filler music. I am usually attracted to rap that I really like the beat or just the overall background music. I am kind of a JayZ and DMX fan and anyone familiar with Mystikal's 'Bouncin' Back'?

Cnev, you're not crazy. Not even for defending rap.
Beatles - some great songs but I wouldn't go out an buy an album
SRV - Never really did it for me
Allman Brothers- So so
Bob Dylan - Some of his stuff is pretty good
Rush - Can't stand
The first three I completely agree with and the last two, I have a little more love for than you do. The beatles have never done it for me and I can't think of one song i have every heard of theirs that i don't like but I don't like any of their music enough that I would want to listen to the album - they leave me cold. Rush is ok and Dylan has some great stuff but some just ok stuff too. Also, Eric Clapton has never really done it for me. And this may even get me kicked off this board, I can't stand the song Layla (the acoustic version is ok) and I don't like Crossroad Blues. I know, it should be illegal for me to ever touch a guitar again.

Obviously you know where I'm going with this, but I have to ask.......

What SRV tunes did you listen to that you didn't like or couldn't relate to?

I understand not being able to “relate” to a certain musician so don't take my question the wrong way, but if I can enlighten you to some songs that might touch you.......... I'd be happy to.

To each his/her own.

Tracker,

That's what's kinda cool about music everyone interprets an artists work differently.

I've heard tons of SRV stuff and there's not much of anything that he does that does it for me. I can't tell you why his music doesn't do it for me it just doesn't. I'm sure if I saw him in concert when he was alive I probably would have gotten into it but I'd never buy an album.

I usually know immediately if I like th emusic. I can't ever remember hearing something that I didn't like and then later on learn to like it. It may have happened but I can't recall it.

I think the connection is at the subconcious level. I don't really know why I like it I just do.

Some of the music I say I don't like isn't exactly true. I mean I can listen to Beatles music and SRV etc and enjoy at certain moments but I would never buy one of their albums or have the desire to pop in one of their CD's to listen to.

And I don't really ever listen to rap or hip hop because most of that stuff doesn't do it for me, but I do think there is a talent involved. Whether or not anyone likes it is a differnt story.

I'm sure if I listed some of the bands that I listen too people would say some of it's crap but it doesn't matter it's what I like. But even those artists I don't like everything they have done.

Like Bowie, he's one of my favorites but I much prefer his earlier work up until about 1980 than most of his other stuff. I liked pretty much all of Queen's music. I like Bad Company, some of Lou Reed, Aerosmith (older stuff), Counting Crows, Nirvana, Deftones, some Korn, Wilco, The Killers, Interpol, and too many more to name.

For me it's not about being able to relate necesarily with the lyrics although sometimes that has happened.

Interesting that you mention Bowie. Let's Dance was released in 1983 -- not long after your "much prefer his earlier work up until about 1980" date. SRV was Bowie's guitarist for that album and tour.

Interesting that you mention Bowie. Let's Dance was released in 1983 -- not long after your "much prefer his earlier work up until about 1980" date. SRV was Bowie's guitarist for that album and tour.
Yea, Bowie took SRV in....... then things didn't work out (SRV didn't want to conform to some else's ideas). I've heard multiple times that things went down hill for Bowie after that.

when you cut to the chase, it all boils down to musical preferences.... let's make it even simpler, and boil it down to music....rap "music" fails to qualify as music to my ears for 2 reasons...1) I don't like it - 2) If there's music involved, it's usually someone else's song....if these rappers are so talented,WHY CAN'T THEY WRITE THEIR OWN BLOODY MUSIC!!!!!

and if you want more reasons, I could probably list a dozen...in fact I will list two dozen the next time Greybeard gets to Manchester and we have a few beers - I'll supply the pen and paper!!!!

:D :D :D

Vic