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(@whitneyzeldow)
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Wait...so they let you try out the setup in the store? Taking the stuff out of the packaging and all? Do they let you plug into a comp, too? I've never even thought of that!


   
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(@smokindog)
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Again I second Arjen.

I don't recommend plugging a guitar direct into a mixer since most mixers aren't
equipped with an instrument level input. It would sound bad and could harm both
mixers and guitars electric circuits. And it would probably be more expansive
then the ADI. If you don't need to record vocals or other acoustic sources, don't
bother buying a mic at this point. For the future though you should consider it, but
for now it's really all you need and more.

Have a nice day!
-Elvis
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The above tune i did with 3 acoustic guitars( over dubbed)...I used a johnson acoustic with a single coil pick up through a Alesis ineko (Cheap processer) for some reverb, directly into the MIXER. I always put the bass directly ito the mixer. I've never heard of a guitar hurting a mixer by pluging it straight in and I dont understand how it would hurt the guitar :? The signal from the guitar is very low...infact you need to trim the signal up to get enough gain to sound good. --PEACE, the dog

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 Mike
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I've never heard of a guitar hurting a mixer by pluging it straight in and I dont understand how it would hurt the guitar :? The signal from the guitar is very low...infact you need to trim the signal up to get enough gain to sound good. --PEACE, the dog

I feel the same way. I have no problems with plugging straight into the mixer. My recordings sound great in my ears, no distortion or tonal variations.

I did a quick acoustic sound clip for someone on this site reguarding 12 bar blues. You can listen to it on my site. Labeled- Quick 12 bar example. I don't think the quality is crappy or lacks anything for that matter.

Mike


   
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(@smokindog)
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That sounds good to me tracker :D Lots of folks will use a guitar or bass>signal processor> mixer. It will not hurt the mixer UNLESS you go from the speaker output on the guitar amp to the mixer :P ( then you WILL have fried mixer for dinner) :twisted: :lol: I run bass through a mixer and add compression later . In fact going direct to the board was pretty standard even befor Elvis had his First Fried twinky :wink:

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(@whitneyzeldow)
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Well, at least I get both sides of the story. I really don't want to injure my lovely guitar, but I don't want to buy anything and everything people hint at. I'm officially the most confused person ever. Whatever!! If I feel like buying an ADI, I'll buy it. If I don't, I won't. I guess I might, because I don't plan on upgrading for at least 2 years (with the exception of a soundcard, eventually). Anyway, I'll keep you fellas posted. I shound have my first song recorded in at least a month!


   
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(@ignar-hillstrom)
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In most stores you can try anything in everything. You probably can't drag you pc along, but you can just attach the mixer to a set of speakers or headphones. So just try it directly in the mixer or with the ADI in between and see if it improves enough to justify the extra few money. As you can hear with tracker's track you dont *need* it.


   
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(@smokindog)
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Well, at least I get both sides of the story. I really don't want to injure my lovely guitar, but I don't want to buy anything and everything people hint at. I'm officially the most confused person ever. Whatever!! If I feel like buying an ADI, I'll buy it. If I don't, I won't. I guess I might, because I don't plan on upgrading for at least 2 years (with the exception of a soundcard, eventually). Anyway, I'll keep you fellas posted. I shound have my first song recorded in at least a month!

we will look forward to hearing it. When you get set up you can join in on some colaborations we do on the http://forums.guitarnoise.com/viewforum.php?f=33 on line colaboration and jam forum. we don't care if you are a total newbe or have opened for the Stones or what kind of sound card you use :lol: :lol: , all players are welcome. And BTW, welcom to guitar noise

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(@whitneyzeldow)
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sounds good smokindog. Anyway, this is the last thanks! I checked out two local stores today and one of them gave me a great deal (cutting prices and all). After all the research and questions and all, I actually ended up getting stuff that was completely different than I expected. I got a USB Fast track, headphones, cables, and a mic for $210. The only downfall was that the Fast Track doesn't have phantom power and isn't compatible with condensor mics, so I got another kind (which is actually perfectly fine because I wasn't happy spending $100 on a condensor mic). You guys have been great and it's fabulous knowing that I can go to guitarnoise anytime I want to get help. Who knows? Maybe I'll follow in Jack Johnson's footsteps (I'll be attending the same college in 3 weeks). See ya.


   
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 Mike
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8) Good for you.

Sorry for any and all confusion! We just want to make sure you get the best bang for the buck!

Looking forward to your first recording. You know where you can go to find the help you need. :wink:


   
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(@smokindog)
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Sounds good, let us know how the fast track works for you! I,m looking into something like it soon for myself :D Any one know if you can plug a condenser mike into a mixer and the mixer into the fast track :?: --the dog

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 Mike
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Sounds good, let us know how the fast track works for you! I,m looking into something like it soon for myself :D Any one know if you can plug a condenser mike into a mixer and the mixer into the fast track :?: --the dog

Yes, as long as your mixer has phantom power.


   
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(@hueseph)
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I always put the bass directly ito the mixer. I've never heard of a guitar hurting a mixer by pluging it straight in and I dont understand how it would hurt the guitar :? The signal from the guitar is very low...infact you need to trim the signal up to get enough gain to sound good. --PEACE, the dog

Although this may work, you will get better results when yo0u use a mixer that has an instrument level input or by using a direct injection box. The reason being that there is an impedance mismatch between the line level of the input and the high impedence(hi Z) output of the guitar/bass. The one thing you will notice imediatley when you use a di or instrument level input is that you will have increased headroom. So, you will be able to get more signal to disk before it begins to distort.

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(@smokindog)
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Although this may work, you will get better results when yo0u use a mixer that has an instrument level input or by using a direct injection box. The reason being that there is an impedance mismatch between the line level of the input and the high impedence(hi Z) output of the guitar/bass. The one thing you will notice imediatley when you use a di or instrument level input is that you will have increased headroom. So, you will be able to get more signal to disk before it begins to distort.

so I can go as follows: guitar>D/I box>mixer>sound card? Can I go Amp>D/I box> Mixer>Soundcard? Sounds like a good investment for the money, I found some in MF for around $30-$35, any suggestions on what brand to get? --thanks, the dog

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(@hueseph)
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If your amp has a line out, you shouldn't need to use a DI. As well, if your mixer has an instrument level in, you won't need a DI. Brand isn't really an issue, I don't think. I would go to a music store and try one out, though I don't think you will find much difference from one to another other than some possible addition of noise. The on major factor is always your sound card and it's A/D D/A converters. That is a whole other story though.

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