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(@fredramsey)
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Forgive me if I should have posted this in a different forum...

I have been trying to play Hell's Bells by AC/DC, and was using the tab found in various places, such as ulimate-guitar.com, which starts out on the 7th and 9th fret.

Well, I ran into this guy today at work (I take my guitar to work to practice while I'm waiting for my wife to pick me up), and he took my guitar and played it all at the top of neck, and not only did it sound right, but it was easier to play, from what I could see.

He might tab it out for me, but I want to throw a line out here and ask if anyone has TAB for this other, perhaps more correct, way to play Hell's Bells. Anyone?

Thanks.

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(@fredramsey)
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I may have found it:
Hells Bells (Young/Young&Johnson) by AC/DC 'Back in Black' Tab by S.Mueller
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Pattern 1 played approx. 5 Times
Am Asus4 Am7 Asus4 Am Asus4 Am7 A7sus4 C5 G/B Am
e|--0--------------|-----------------|--0--------------|----------------------|
b|-------3-------1-|------3----------|-------3-------1-|------3---------------|
g|----------2------|--0-------2------|-----------2-----|--0-------------------|
D|-----------------|-----------------|-----------------|---------5---5--------|
A|0---0--------0---|----0--------0-0-|-----0-------0---|----0----3---2---0----|
E|-----------------|-----------------|-----------------|----------------------|

Pattern 2
Asus4 Am7 Asus4 Am Asus4 G D C5 G/B Am
e|0----------------|-------------------|-0-------------3-|-3--2---------------|
b|-----3-------1---|-------3-----------|-----3---------3-|-3--3---------------|
g|--------2--------|--0--------2-------|---2-----2-----0-|-0--2---------------|
D|-----------------|-------------------|---------------0-|-0--0---5---5-------|
A|--0--------0-----|----0---------0--0-|------------0--2-|-2--0---3---2---0---|
E|-----------------|-------------------|---------------3-|-3------------------|

D5/A~~~~~ Cadd9 G/B A5 D5/A Cadd9 G/B
e|-------------------|-----------------|-----------------------|--------------|
b|-------------------|---------3----3--|-----------------------|-----3---3----|
g|-9--7--9---7--5--7-|---------0----0--|-----9--7--9---7--5--7-|-----0---0----|
D|-7--7--7---5--5--7-|-----------------|-----7--7--7---5--5--7-|--------------|
A|-----------------0-|------0--3----2--|--0--------------------|--0--3---2----|
E|-------------------|-----------------|-----------------------|--------------|

At this Point the Verse is mostly A5 D5/A Cadd9 G/B A5 D5/A Cadd9 G/B - Stuff!

I won`t take no Prisoners... (Pattern 3)
D5 C5 G5 D5 C5 G
e|------------------------------------3-----------------------------------3---|
b|---3--3--3---3--3--3---3--3--3------3------3--3--3---3--3--3-3-3-3-3----3---|
g|---2--0--2---2--0--2---2--2--2--5---0------2--0--2---2--0--2-2-2-2-2-5--0---|
D|-0------------------------------5---0---0----------------------------5--0---|
A|--------------------------------3------------------------------------3------|
E|------------------------------------3-----------------------------------3---|

PreChorus: E5 D5/A A E5 G5 & Chorus Patt.1!

Pre-Solo b slowb
e|----------------------------------------5-----------------------------------|
b|--8--7--8--7---7--5---------------------5-7-8--7-----8----------------------|
g|--7--7-------9-7--5-----------------------7-8--7-----8----------------------|
D|---------------------7--5--7------------------------------------------------|
A|---------------------------------------------------------12-----------------|
E|------------------------------------------------------------x---------------|
x
x
Solo 1
~~~~~ ~~~~~ b b |---HB---------|
e|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
b|--------------------------------------------------8---------8-8-8-8-8-8--8-8|
g|-------------------------------------------7-9-------7--9---9-9-9-9-9-9--9-9|
D|--5-7-7-----4-5-5------0--4-5-7-7--5-7--------------------------------------|
A|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
E|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
r ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~
e|---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
b|------------5-------8------7---7-------8--8------10--10-----13-13-12-13-13-|
g|--7--5------5----9--9------7---7-------9--9------11--11-----14-14-13-14-14-|
D|-------7-7------/----------------------------------------------------------|
A|---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
E|---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
ub ub
e|----------------------------------------12---12-----10-----10---------------|
b|12-13-13-12-13-12-13-13-13-13-13-13-13--13---13--13-15--13-15---------------|
g|13-14-14-13-14-13-14-14-14-14-14-14-14--------------------------------------|
D|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
A|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
E|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
ub r b
e|---10----------------------10---10---------10----10-------------------------|
b|13-15---12-13---12---10--/-10---10---13-10----10-------13--------15-17-19---|
g|------------------------/-----------------------------14----14------------|
D|---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
A|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
E|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
b b b b r b b
e|17--------17-----------17-----17----------------------------------------|
b|---17-19-----17-19--17-19--17-19---17---15--17--15----15------------20--|
g|---------------------------------------------------16-----19-21--19-21--|
D|------------------------------------------------------------------------|
A|------------------------------------------------------------------------|
E|------------------------------------------------------------------------|
b b b b b
e|--------------17------------------------------------------17--20--17--------|
b|-----------------20-17-----------------------20-22-20-22-------------20-22--|
g|19-21-19-21------------20-19-17----19-17------------------------------------|
D|--------------------------------19-------19---------------------------------|
A|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
E|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
b b ~~~~~~~~
e|-17-17-------20-22--20-21-----17--------------------------------------------|
b|-------20-17---------------------20-17--------------------------------------|
g|---------------------------------------19-21-19-17-----17-------------------|
D|---------------------------------------------------19------------19---------|
A|---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
E|---------------------------------------------------------------------------|

Solo 2
b b b
e|---------15----------------------------------15-----------------------------|
b|-15-17------17--15----13------15-----15--17------17--15------13-----15----15|
g|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
D|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
A|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
E|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
b
e|---15--------------------------------15-------------------------------------|
b|17----17-15---13-------15-----15-17-----17-15------13-----------------------|
g|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
D|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
A|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
E|-------------------------------------------------------17-----17-----17-----|

~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ ub ub
e|----------------------------------------------5-------5-------8---------8--|
b|-------------------------------------------8-10---8--10---\-----10-8-10--10|
g|--2--0--2------2---------5-7---------5-------------------------------------|
D|--2------------------------------------------------------------------------|
A|--0-------------------------------------------------------------------------|
E|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
ub ub b b b ~~~~~ b b
e|--------5------5---------------17-------------17----------------------------|
b|----8-10--8--10-------20-22-----20-17-20-22----17--20-22-----20-22---20-22|
g|---------------------------------------------------------------------------|
D|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
A|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
E|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
b b b b b b b b r
e|----------17----------------------------------------------------------------|
b|-20-22------20-17-------------------20----20------20------20------20------20|
g|------------------19-21-19-17-19-21----19-21---19-21---19-21---19-21---19-21|
D|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
A|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
E|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|

e|----------------------------------------------|
b|20-----------19--17---------------------------|
g|19-----17----19--17----------------2-------2--|
D|----------19--------------x--------2-------2--|
A|----------------------------------0-------0--|
E|--------------------------------------3------|

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(@vic-lewis-vl)
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Fred, the tab you've found looks to be pretty similar to the way I play it - although I wouldn't like to say whether it's "correct" or not. I don't suppose it matters as long as it sounds OK!

I prefer playing as close to the headstock as I can for riffs like this - makes it easier to switch to rhythm chords.

:D :D :D

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(@fredramsey)
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It's funny, but now I've found the above version twice...

This is how I found it the first time, as well as how my teacher did it from memory:
e|-----------------------------------|----------
B|-----------------------------------|----------
G|---9---7----5---7------9---7-------|-5---7----
D|-----7---7---5---7---7---7---7-----|--5-------
A|-0--------(0)-(0)--0-----------(0)-|----------
E|-----------------------------------|-------2-3 Repeat

But I can't wait to try this "other" way - I think it's going to be a lot easier.

:D

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(@wes-inman)
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Well, you can play it that way, but it isn't how they do it, and it really doesn't sound correct at all if you listen carefully to the tone. It is really very simple to play, most of it is done with the index finger plus a couple of little power chords.

Intro riff
*
e-----------------------------------
b----------------------------------- *= 2nd time through
g-------9----7------5------7-------- go to riff below
d---------7----7------5------7------
a--0-------------0------0------0—---
e-----------------------------------
r i i i i i i i

e-----------------
b-----------------
g-----------------
d---5--5----------
a---3--2--0-------
e-----------------
p p
i i

Angus's riff during verses

~~~
e----------------------------
b----------------------------
g------9-7-9---75-7---------
d------7-7-7---75-7-----5-5-
a--0-------------------0-3-2-
e----------------------------
r i r i i r p p
i i i i i r i i

I had this same discussion with Chris (Cnev) when I went over to his house a few times. His teacher had showed him to play it in the open position. I insisted it was played higher.

Watch this video and see for yourself which is correct.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwxJ46HWXbA

And really, it couldn't get any easier. The home position is far more difficult in my opinion. But what is really important is the tone. Played on the higher strings it just doesn't have the rich tone of this riff.

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(@fredramsey)
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My biggest problem with the higher position, right now, is getting back from the bomp-bomp-bommmm back up to the 7 and 9 fast enough. But I'm glad to at least have the other version to play around with.

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(@vic-lewis-vl)
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Hmm, see what you mean Wes. After watching the video, I can see they're DEFINITELY not playing that near the headstock, but rather around the 7th and 9th frets as you said. Sounds better there, too. One of those songs I learned from a tab rather than tryng to work out myself!

Looks like it's back to the drawing-board and watching Angus's fingers!

:D :D :D

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(@fredramsey)
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Another problem I have is that, when I listen to the track, there are, of course, two guitars... Heck, they're even in separate channels!

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I'm not sure which version is right my ears aren't good enough to really here a big difference. I was taught to play it in the open position but like Wes said it's actually a bit more difficult because of the string skipping you have to do. I don't play the song very much anymore though.

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(@wes-inman)
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My biggest problem with the higher position, right now, is getting back from the bomp-bomp-bommmm back up to the 7 and 9 fast enough. But I'm glad to at least have the other version to play around with.

Fred, as soon as you hit the open A string, quickly move up. With a little practice it will be very easy.

I think the hardest part of the intro is simply getting the precise timing. You have to be patient and let a couple of those notes ring long. Once you get it it is super-easy.

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(@dagwood)
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I learned this song up in the higher position and found it very simple and easy to do. Really its the two middle strings and the droning of the open A string.

I too struggled with the G5 -> F# transitions but after a few hundred times practicing it over and over I finally got it.
I've also noticed it seems easier to control the droning of the open A when played higher up the neck, (for me anyway).

As Wes said too, Timing is so important. When to come in and keeping the steady pace before the drum kicks in. Listen to the number of Bell hits in the video and when Angus comes in. :)

Here's the backing track I use to practice this song.
LINK

Great song, just keep practicing and don't forget to turn up your amp :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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Another little note :D

Another area I disagreed with Chris's teacher (and still do) is when you hit the G and D chords.

YOU DO NOT PLAY A G! YOU PLAY A G5!


G5 D
e---3-3-3---2---
b---3-3-3---3---
g---0-0-0---2---
d---0-0-0---0---
a---X-X-X-------
e---3-3-3-------
p
r
m

Sorry, but I get a little anal about stuff like this. A regular G chord with a B note on the 5th string and and open B string sounds wimpy. No, mute the A string with your middle finger and add the D note on the B string.

Play it for yourself with some good overdrive. Which sounds MEANER?

I thought you would agree. No real heavy Rocker uses a G chord. Man, play that G5!!

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