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(@paulhackett)
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Going international is what inevitably will happen. There's no reason for tab users to panic and download every tab they could ever possibly want to learn. There'll still be tab and lyric sites in places like Russia and China long after this blows over. International treaties don't hold up very well when there isn't the will to enforce them in certain places. But I think the MPA have indicated they're only going after the really big sites.

In many ways I think the Internet does shorten the learning curve on guitar. Tab is probably more of a hindrance to becoming a good musician than learning to read music. But it is a great tool for the hobby guitarist with simple goals.

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Going international is what inevitably will happen. There's no reason for tab users to panic and download every tab they could ever possibly want to learn. There'll still be tab and lyric sites in places like Russia and China long after this blows over. International treaties don't hold up very well when there isn't the political will to enforce them. But I think the MPA have indicated they're only going after the really big sites.

In many ways I think the Internet does shorten the learning curve on guitar. Tab is probably more of a hinderence to becoming a good musician than learning to read music. But it is a great tool for the hobby guitarist with simple goals.

I don't think tab is really that much of a hindrance to becoming a good player, They used tab in Nashville a lot way back in the 1960's and those guys were some of the best players of all time :D I see lots of new players start out on the net but still learn from other players, lessons, and listening to the songs. Tab is not very useful if you don't know how the music should sound in the first place. :wink: I mostly use tabs if I can't figure something out. I think tab is a good starting point for someone who wants to learn guitar, but if they are serious, they will get lessons and go beyond tabs. any way thats my 2 cents :lol: --the dog

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Maybe I should rephrase: over reliance on tab is a hindrance to becoming a good musician. It's a good place to begin because we all need to feel good about our achievements to help us get to the next level.

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Maybe I should rephrase: over reliance on tab is a hindrance to becoming a good musician. It's a good place to begin because we all need to feel good about our achievements to help us get to the next level.

Good point :D

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I don't believe TAB sites reduce the songwriters royalties.

I don't think sheet music is any more accurate than a musician's ear either. Most sheet music I've seen, and I've been looking since the early seventies, appears to have been churned out by some spotty-faced schoolboy doing a Saturday job. I doubt that the songwriter ever sees the sheet music.
Few singers are unable to sing a line heard once or twice and it's only a few attempts before the melody line can be written in standard notation or picked out on an instrument. There might be some difficultiesdistinguishing between 3/4 time and 6/8 time and dotting the semiquavers here and there but I've seen precious few samples of sheet music that get that right anyway.
Adding chords to a melody line is a simple affair for contemporary song though it can be harder with more elaborate harmonies (added ninths and minor sixths etc.) but apart from The Beatles there are few songwriters making much use of these.
When you're banging out songs down the local, who cares whether it's C major or A min7 anyway?

TAB sites make easy versions of easy songs available to those that aren't familiar with the music or the skills to do it themselves. They would hardly be likely to buy the CD without a strong interest in the music. The TAB doesn't give them that. They are more likely to buy the CD to music they become familiar with and grow to like after a few brief listens and a few attempts at the TAB, as the David Gray listener noted above.
TAB also makes popular songs and the original artists yet more popular and is therefore more likely to increase royalties from future sales. Most people I know go to TAB sites more for music they already know and love than to acquire the essentials of playing music they don't know. TAB doesn't give enough info for that.

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This may have been suggested earlier, but why doesn't everone just not buy sheet music or CDs for one month. I think that would have the "fish upside the head effect" mentioned in one of the posts, and really get the attention of the bean counters. It would only be for one month. As noted in another post, with the low quality of some of the music being released of late, how much ear torture would we be missing.


   
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This may have been suggested earlier, but why doesn't everone just not buy sheet music or CDs for one month. I think that would have the "fish upside the head effect" mentioned in one of the posts, and really get the attention of the bean counters. It would only be for one month. As noted in another post, with the low quality of some of the music being released of late, how much ear torture would we be missing.

Hell, I don't buy major label CD's any way, I do buy indie CD,s and support them, but the major record companies can eat worms :twisted: There is just to much great indie music out to even support the major record companies IMHO--the dog

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I can see there are thousands of similiar opinions on this subject. Here's my 2 cents.
I found this site this past December while looking for an arrangement of Little Drummer Boy. The articles and lessons on this site have since inspired me to try playing some stuff I may not have known about or thought I could even learn.
I'm just an average guy with nothing more than a second hand acoustic guitar who doesn't play great but is better than a beginner, and.... I JUST LOVE TO PLAY.
Stealing recordings, (of which most of us have probably downloaded a freebie at least once), is one thing. But artists should be flattered that people want to learn to play their songs and not necessarily the exact arrangement.
The MPA should try to work with sites like this instead of starting a legal war over it.
If GN had to go to charging a modest subcription fee, which I hope they don't but could happen, it could be worth it to have access to this kind of instructional material.
To restate what TWISTEDLEFTY said in an earlier post, "What next? Royalty checks for campfire singing?"


   
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To restate what TWISTEDLEFTY said in an earlier post, "What next? Royalty checks for campfire singing?"

What's next?

I forsee a dystopian future where people are afraid to go outside with their personal music players. Forget about getting mugged on the subway for your iPod. Police in black uniforms will round up people on the street and check up on what they're listening to. Anyone found with "shoplifted" music will soon find themselves in Room 101 in the basement of the Ministry of Love. :evil:

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To restate what TWISTEDLEFTY said in an earlier post, "What next? Royalty checks for campfire singing?"

What's next?

I forsee a dystopian future where people are afraid to go outside with their personal music players. Forget about getting mugged on the subway for your iPod. Police in black uniforms will round up people on the street and check up on what they're listening to. Anyone found with "shoplifted" music will soon find themselves in Room 101 in the basement of the Ministry of Love. :evil:

Paul, That's not that far from reality now :shock:

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will soon find themselves in Room 101 in the basement of the Ministry of Love.

HEY!!!...... leave my wife and her room out of this!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Paul wrote~ "Anyone found with "shoplifted" music will soon find themselves in Room 101 in the basement of the Ministry of Love."

ok, now your creeping me out

#4491....


   
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And, of course, you'll all need to buy your whistling permit from the MPA (humming can be included for an additional fee).

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While looking for an upgrade for the latest criminal tool (the MP3 player), I came across an article with a short history of "Copy Right" laws. While reading it I felt a twinge of pride when I read the United State's stance on music copy right laws in the 1800's, and wondered at how much we've changed. I would paste a few lines of the article here, but that would be an infringement of a copy right. So I'll just post a link if anyone is interested.

http://netscape.com.com/4520-6450_7-5129357-1.html?tag=txt


   
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