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(@shy_boy)
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A friend of mine was working on Collide by Howie Day and the song caught my interest. There are only 4 chords to the basic part of the song. The strumming pattern is a little tricky and I can't get it exactly like the recording, but it is close enough for now.

The question I have is about the fourth chord with the pull off / hammer on. It is a really nice affect that I would like to learn, but I can't quite seem to get the mechanics/timing down. Could anyone offer any tips or advice? (My freind couldn't get it either)

I've been using the tab from Olga.net

http://www.olga.net/dynamic/browse.php?printer=0&local=main/d/day_howie/collide.tab

capo'd 4th fret - all fret indications are relative to the capo.

The rhythm is kinda tricky, especially with the hammer in the middle of the
C chord. Just listen to the song to get it.

Verse and Chorus:
e |-------3-------3-------0-------0-------|
B |-------3-------3-------0-------1-------|
G |-------0-------0-------0-------0-------|
D |-------0-------0-------2-------2p0h2---|
A |-------2-------0-------2---3---3-------|
E |---3---3---2---2---0---0---------------|

Also, this seems to be fairly easy, except for the parts I don't get yet, of course. Maybe this would be a good subject for the “Easy Songs for Beginners” section.

Thanks,
George


   
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Don't know the song and the only tip I can offer is to practice it very slowly until you get the general mechanics of it down thne try and speed it up.

Just from looking at it it seems pretty stright forward, your just doing a pulloff/hammer on with the middle finger of a C chord shape.

It's just a matter of practice, you'll get it.

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(@jonnyt)
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Making any finger work independently while holding your chord shape with the others is going to be a challenge at first. Fortunately it's the second finger and not the third.

You might start by practicing basic pull-offs and hammer-ons using just fingers one and two on a single string... 5/A |---3p2h3---|

Then go and play the C chord and start by just doing the pull-off first. Do this over and over and once that sounds good add the hammer-on and repeat the process until you are satisfied with the end result.

E doesn't = MC2, E = Fb

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The stumming pattern alone isn't too bad and the PO/HO alone isn't too bad. It's combining them that's a little rough.

The pattern is something like:

down(q) down(q) up(e) up(e) down(e) down(e) down(s) up(s),

where q = quarter note
where e = eigth note
where s = sixteenth note

The pull off / hammer on is early in the measure but the rest of the strumming pattern continues on. It's hard for me to describe it because I don't really understand what's going on. I can hear it, but can't do it.

I'm thinking it is something like this, but I'm not sure:

down(q) down(q) (PO) up(e) (HO) up(e) down(e) down(e) down(s) up(s),


   
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I was able to trim down the mp3 file to just the into of the song. This is 2 measures of the above tab with the troublesome PO/HO.

Give it a listen to see what I mean.

http://home.comcast.net/~gprause/Collide_Intro.mp3


   
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Shy Boy, don't know if you've figured this out since your post in March, but here is my version after listening to your snippet of the song. I'd be happy to email you the .ptb file so you can listen along; drop me a PM with your address if you want it.

I changed the chords a little bit, keeping my ring finger and pinky anchored on the high E and B strings, 7th fret, then I move only my index and middle fingers to form the chords. This makes it easy to toggle the index finger for the hammer-on/pull-off.


COLLIDE (a possible version of the intro and verse rhythm)
by Howie Day

Transcribed by Mitch Schlesinger

Gtr I (E A D G B E) - 'Acoustic: Capo 4th Fret'

Roughly 90bpm

G Dsus4/F# Em7
4/4
Gtr I
Q E. E S E E S S Q E. E S E E S S Q E. E S E E S S
||-----3--3-3-3-3-3-3-|----3--3-3-3-3-3-3-|----3--3-3-3-3-3-3--|
||o----3--3-3-3-3-3-3-|----3--3-3-3-3-3-3-|----3--3-3-3-3-3-3--|
||-----0--0-0-0-0-0-0-|----0--0-0-0-0-0-0-|----0--0-0-0-0-0-0--|
||-----0--0-0-0-0-0-0-|----0--0-0-0-0-0-0-|----2--2-2-2-2-2-2--|
||o----2--2-2-2-2-2-2-|----0--0-0-0-0-0-0-|----2--2-2-2-2-2-2--|
||--3--3--3-3-3-3-3-3-|-2--2--2-2-2-2-2-2-|-0--0--0-0-0-0-0-0--|
D D D U D D D U | D D D U D D D U | D D D U D D D U

Cadd9
Q S S S E S E E S S
|----3-3-----3-3--3---------||
|----3-3-----3-3--3--------o||
|----0-0-----0-0--0---------||
|----2-2-0h2-2-2--2-2p0-----||
|-3--3-3-----3-3--3--------o||
|---------------------------||
D D U D U D D D

Duration Legend
---------------
Q - quarter; E - 8th; S - 16th; . - note dotted

Tablature Legend
----------------
h - hammer-on
p - pull-off

Misc Legend
-----------
||o - repeat start
o|| - repeat end

***************************************************************************************
* Generated using Power Tab Editor by Brad Larsen - http://powertab.guitarnetwork.org *
***************************************************************************************

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it is very easy to play, its the same chord progression OVER AND OVER until the bridge then its half of an arpeggio i don't even think its half of one. all you have to do is for each chord just hit the top string over the chord so for the G you hit top string and so on and so forth, watch the music video it will help.


   
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i just noticed your chords don't sound right to me at all, i got it from http://www.mxtabs.net/tab_versions.php?path=Guitar,h,5134,Howie+Day,Collide,191208 and mine sounds closer to the recording, try both and see which you like better, the one i play is a little trickier for the second chord but i think you'll find it sounds closer to the real song.


   
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Great tune but at very first listen it's obvious that there's no capo involved at all. What is involved is tuning down a half a step.

Chords:

C = X 3 2 0 1 3

C/B = X 2 2 0 1 0 or 3

Am = X 0 2 2 1 0

Fmaj7 = X X 3 2 1 0

When I'm done tabbing this out I'll post it in the Easy Song Forum.

E doesn't = MC2, E = Fb

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Great tune but at very first listen it's obvious that there's no capo involved at all.

Check out the "unplugged" video on MTV.com, it's obvious there is a capo involved. For this version, anyway.

However, it looks like it's at the 3rd fret, not 4th.

http://www.mtv.com/music/#/music/artist/day_howie/videos.jhtml

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(@aroundtheclaxon)
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u should probably try to listen to some better music

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u should probably try to listen to some better music

Ok, not everyone is like you. We all have different tastes in music and guitars. While you don't have to like what everyone likes, shooting down someone's taste in music helps no one. So if you have some advice that would actually help then post it, otherwise, you're wasting everyone's time.


   
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Well said, OWA.

"Everybody got to elevate from the norm."


   
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(@jonnyt)
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Great tune but at very first listen it's obvious that there's no capo involved at all.

Check out the "unplugged" video on MTV.com, it's obvious there is a capo involved. For this version, anyway.

However, it looks like it's at the 3rd fret, not 4th.

http://www.mtv.com/music/#/music/artist/day_howie/videos.jhtml

Have not seen the unplugged video... I just listened to the original recording and did not hear a capo. Two very different sounds when you compare a guitar tuned down a half a step with a guitar with a capo on the 4th fret.

E doesn't = MC2, E = Fb

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